fubar on dropped third strike

[yawetag]

Originally Posted by chartrusepengui

ie Right Fielder was actually running in toward dugout instead of backing up 1st baseman which is why we went the other way.

I find it hard to believe that F9 heard the PU say "Batter's out" if you didn't hear it. It appears to me that F9 ASSUMED batter was out due to a runner being on 1B.

As others said, let the play stand the way it finished.

[chartrusepengui]

F9 must have assumed. I didn't hear PU call batter out but I did hear "strike three". I think that may be what sent F9 packing.

I REALLY wish he would not have come to me - especially on such a stupid move on his part.

Once he did come to me, it was like everyone - including PU expected me to wave a magic wand and fix everything. I felt like the bus drove over me AND backed up to see what it hit. I'll admit by the time it was over I was really shaking my head wishing I wasn't even there.

The good news was - the rest of "my" calls were solid and I got a compliment from each coach along with some advice to send PU to "t-ball" or take the plate myself from now on.

[jicecone]

I am PU. R1, 1 out. Ground ball fielded and play is made for force out at second, FPSL. I come out to observe play at second and then afterwards turn to first and watch runner pass first and F3 has possesion of ball. BU called safe. Beats the hell out of me.

Def coach comes out and my partner comes to me for help with play at first. I tell him I have nothing. He says I didn't see it either???? I tell him "well stick with your call then."

Guess who has to toss Offensive coach because someone changed their call.

Sometimes you just have to umpire and sometimes you just have to shutup and stick with your mistake.

[DG]

Originally Posted by jicecone

I am PU. R1, 1 out. Ground ball fielded and play is made for force out at second, FPSL. I come out to observe play at second and then afterwards turn to first and watch runner pass first and F3 has possesion of ball. BU called safe. Beats the hell out of me.

Def coach comes out and my partner comes to me for help with play at first. I tell him I have nothing. He says I didn't see it either???? I tell him "well stick with your call then."

Guess who has to toss Offensive coach because someone changed their call.

Sometimes you just have to umpire and sometimes you just have to shutup and stick with your mistake.

You in the wrong post, but I play along. FPSR implies that something illegal happened. If you are PU you should have the call since BU is turning for play at 1B after calling R1 out on the force. Pick a hand to point with but I generally point at the violation with left with conviction and turn to BR and give the out call towards him. Why you see nothing if you think you saw a FPSR violation? Why you mention it if not? You say BR pass first and F3 has the ball. Did he have the ball when BR touched first or not. He has it as runner is past first but did he have it before, you are not clear on point.

If partner asks for help give him what you have, not don't say I did not see it, but if you are watching 2b for potential FPSR violation, you very well may not see it, since not your job.

You say stick with the call but offensive coach was EJ because the call was changed. I just so confused. Did he change the call after neither of you admitted to seeing it. I just so confused.

[jicecone]

DG my point was, sometimes when you make a mistake, just suck it up and stay with your call. My partner should have and so should have the two officials in this thread.

Maybe my input was not clear however, there was no violation at second and I did my job in observing the play at second. By the time I turned toward first the play was over. When he asked for help that is what I told him and only him, also that I did not see the play at first. He then changed his call and I had to clean up the mess.

[DG]

Originally Posted by jicecone

DG my point was, sometimes when you make a mistake, just suck it up and stay with your call. My partner should have and so should have the two officials in this thread.

Maybe my input was not clear however, there was no violation at second and I did my job in observing the play at second. By the time I turned toward first the play was over. When he asked for help that is what I told him and only him, also that I did not see the play at first. He then changed his call and I had to clean up the mess.

He admitted he did not see an out, but changed a safe call to out and then dumped OFF coach. I wonder why.

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by chartrusepengui

F9 must have assumed. I didn't hear PU call batter out but I did hear "strike three". I think that may be what sent F9 packing.

I REALLY wish he would not have come to me - especially on such a stupid move on his part.

Once he did come to me, it was like everyone - including PU expected me to wave a magic wand and fix everything. I felt like the bus drove over me AND backed up to see what it hit. I'll admit by the time it was over I was really shaking my head wishing I wasn't even there.

The good news was - the rest of "my" calls were solid and I got a compliment from each coach along with some advice to send PU to "t-ball" or take the plate myself from now on.

Don't let this go no matter if he screwed it up or not. He is your teammate on the field, so don't let them take shots at him. It sounds like they said it after the game, but I would still respond to them.

[Simply The Best]

Originally Posted by chartrusepengui

F9 must have assumed. I didn't hear PU call batter out but I did hear "strike three". I think that may be what sent F9 packing. I REALLY wish he would not have come to me - especially on such a stupid move on his part.

Sh** happens, it ain't your sh** in this case so ride it out. It's comes with the territory.

Once he did come to me, it was like everyone - including PU expected me to wave a magic wand and fix everything.

Then you tried, mistake. If PU wants your advice, give it to him but let him sort it out.

[chartrusepengui]

I did - he made final determination after we talked - still they wanted me to change things because they were both pi$$ed at him.

[bob jenkins]

The only thing that *might* be different in the OP is to have the umpires decide what to do, and then get both coaches together and explain it to them at the same time. Maybe include the "yes, I messed up" comment from the PU, and say "there's no way to know for sure what would have happened, no one is going to be entirely happy, but we're going to put this runner here, that runer there."

[jophyal]

not a nother thread but...

Say PU calls a strike. Can Home Coach appeal that? If not, and PU says there is an out how can we change that? I do believe you have to stand by your partner as a team out there. However, I would say that we have three outs and the play is over. I realize HTBT but you could argue the catcher heard it and let up on his throw that got a way. That could be the reason that the ball was overthrown.

[Simply The Best]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

The only thing that *might* be different in the OP is to have the umpires decide what to do, and then get both coaches together and explain it to them at the same time. Maybe include the "yes, I messed up" comment from the PU, and say "there's no way to know for sure what would have happened, no one is going to be entirely happy, but we're going to put this runner here, that runer there."

Sounds reasonable, getting it right often requires eating large helpings of crow and taking the heat for stepping up to your ethical responsibility.

Much like taking a clearly minority opinion on a forum regarding ethical behavior of umpires - but that's just me. Taking the heat for the greater good.