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[dileonardoja]

Originally Posted by jTheUmp

There was no BU, as all sub-varsity High School contests around here are single-umpire.

How do they expect to develop Varsity umpires? The tried to do that here but the Associations balked.

[Matt]

Originally Posted by dileonardoja

How do they expect to develop Varsity umpires? The tried to do that here but the Associations balked.

In general, during the summer.

Spring ball here is abbreviated and prone to weather. When every team (and I mean EVERY team) in the state is playing on the same days due to rainouts/snowouts, there aren't enough umpires to put two on sub-varsity games, and even if there were, I don't see schools paying for it.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Matt

In general, during the summer.

Spring ball here is abbreviated and prone to weather. When every team (and I mean EVERY team) in the state is playing on the same days due to rainouts/snowouts, there aren't enough umpires to put two on sub-varsity games, and even if there were, I don't see schools paying for it.

Amazing. We have a lot of weather in Wisconsin, and no school game can be played here (by the state association rules) with one umpire. The schools have no choice.

In a place where we go out and build our own schedules anyway, I guarantee even if the state got rid of this rule, I wouldn't be accepting games where I worked by myself.

[Matt]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

Amazing. We have a lot of weather in Wisconsin, and no school game can be played here (by the state association rules) with one umpire. The schools have no choice.

MSHSL only requires it at the varsity level, and only quasi-sanctions sub-varsity games.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Matt

MSHSL only requires it at the varsity level, and only quasi-sanctions sub-varsity games.

Too bad. All games at the 9th grade level and up are covered by the WIAA.

Of course, I haven't taken a subvarsity game in 6 years (I did fill in on one last week as part of a V/JV DH and was reminded after 2:20 and five innings why I don't work JV games). Main reason is there are so many makeups that if I took a JV game, I know I'd get 10 calls to go work a big school varsity game makeup and then I'd be faced with the dilemma of whether I take the varsity game and find a sub for the JV game or simply turn down the varsity game. I came to the conclusion I'd rather leave my schedule open and run the risk of enjoying an off day.

I guess some people enjoy umpiring enough to work by themselves, but I'm serious in that I would give it up before I would work by myself. I don't love it that much and it's not like I do this for the money.

[Simply The Best]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

I guess some people enjoy umpiring enough to work by themselves, but I'm serious in that I would give it up before I would work by myself. I don't love it that much and it's not like I do this for the money.

Which charity do you give your game fees? Or do you not take pay at all? Better for taxes that way I presume.

[Adam]

That's not what he said. I'll paraphrase Rich from another thread a long time ago: "I don't do this for the money, but I wouldn't do it for free, either."

[Chris Viverito]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

Amazing. We have a lot of weather in Wisconsin, and no school game can be played here (by the state association rules) with one umpire. The schools have no choice.

That's very interesting to me. What is the going rate up there for a 2 man crew?

[Rita C]

Originally Posted by dileonardoja

How do they expect to develop Varsity umpires? The tried to do that here but the Associations balked.

It's the way it is here as well. One thing that keeps people away from the game and it does not train umpires well.

Rita

[johnnyg08]

We have the same issue here. If the association stood firmly in solidarity, they could mandate 2 umpires and not work the lower level games if they believed that strongly in it. I agree that the lower level is where you develop, assuming your experienced umpires are also committing to work lower level to develop.

[DG]

Originally Posted by dileonardoja

How do they expect to develop Varsity umpires? The tried to do that here but the Associations balked.

Who said it was the mission of schools to develop umpires? With that said I don't know of any schools around here that would play any kind of game with one umpire and no assigner would assign just one.

[Simply The Best]

Originally Posted by DG

Who said it was the mission of schools to develop umpires?

If schools wish to have adequate officiating they must be a significant partner of the process of training officials (in this case by paying for two man crews in JV ball). If not, they deserve what they do not get.

If the association is incapable of attracting new umpires, ASSuming the Big Dogs are not doing their usual hording of games , then the schools ("Contractors") need to lean on the association to GTF in gear.

Either way, he who has the gold should and must rule.

With that said I don't know of any schools around here that would play any kind of game with one umpire and no assigner would assign just one.

Get in your car, travel, you would be surprised at the countryside. And the issues, problems in real umpiring worlds other than yours.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by DG

With that said I don't know of any schools around here that would play any kind of game with one umpire and no assigner would assign just one.

You would really get a kick out of San Diego, home of the cheapest rich bast*rds in the world. One-umpire tilts are standard procedure on any sub-varsity youth ball game, whether JV, Frosh, LL Minors, Majors, Senior LL, Pony, Colt. If you are lucky, Palomino usually hires two, as do adult baseball, USABF, and American Legion, otherwise it is One-Man-Sam.

[jophyal]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

You would really get a kick out of San Diego, home of the cheapest rich bast*rds in the world. One-umpire tilts are standard procedure on any sub-varsity youth ball game, whether JV, Frosh, LL Minors, Majors, Senior LL, Pony, Colt. If you are lucky, Palomino usually hires two, as do adult baseball, USABF, and American Legion, otherwise it is One-Man-Sam.

Just curious, what is the pay scale for the cheap bas#$ards in one man/sub varsity.

[jTheUmp]

Baseball is $72-77 depending on where the school is (out-of-metro pays slightly more then the metro area), both for 2-person varsity and 1-person non-varsity.

Softball is $64-69, for both varsity and non-varsity.