Justin Verlander balk.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by Welpe

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Welpe:

Thanks. I went over to the NFHS Forums right after I started this thread and there was a thread about the balk. It looked like something a 10 year old would do.

Friday afternoon, MTD, Jr., and I had a JV game and with the winnig run 3B and a second runner on 1B, the pitcher faked a throw to 1B from the Set position. Game over.

And yes, Junior did work then Plate like a good son.

MTD, Sr.

[Chris Viverito]

Looks like the balk was delivering a pitch while not in contact with the rubber.

Seems like he was trying the jump move to first...and missed? Strange one.

[jdmara]

Let me throw a wild idea out there (which I know I'm probably going to be wrong) but if the batter is HBP, he would get first base and the runner would be forced to second. The batter and the runner advanced one base and therefore the balk would be ignored? What a wild play...

-Josh

[Rich]

Originally Posted by jdmara

Let me throw a wild idea out there (which I know I'm probably going to be wrong) but if the batter is HBP, he would get first base and the runner would be forced to second. The batter and the runner advanced one base and therefore the balk would be ignored? What a wild play...

-Josh

If it was, indeed, a pitch.

In this case, it appears that the balk was for making a motion associated with a pitch and then throwing home. Keep the ball live, but since it's not a pitch it can't be a HBP.

[jdmara]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

If it was, indeed, a pitch.

In this case, it appears that the balk was for making a motion associated with a pitch and then throwing home. Keep the ball live, but since it's not a pitch it can't be a HBP.

I knew I was missing something...Good catch!

-Josh

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

If it was, indeed, a pitch.

In this case, it appears that the balk was for making a motion associated with a pitch and then throwing home. Keep the ball live, but since it's not a pitch it can't be a HBP.

+1

That's how I read it, too. 8.05(g)

[jicecone]

Justin Verlander said that he attemped a move to first, had a "brain fart" and tried to cover it up by throwing home, hoping he could fool the umpires?!!!!

[justanotherblue]

What would have made this really intersting is if he threw the ball out of play.

[TwoBits]

Originally Posted by mbyron

+1

That's how I read it, too. 8.05(g)

However, this is the part that confuses me:

8.05 PENALTY: The ball is dead, and each runner shall advance one base without liability to be put out, unless the batter reaches first on a hit, an error, a base on balls, a hit batter, or otherwise, and all other runners advance at least one base, in which case the play proceeds without reference to the balk.

[nopachunts]

Originally Posted by TwoBits

However, this is the part that confuses me:

8.05 PENALTY: The ball is dead, and each runner shall advance one base without liability to be put out, unless the batter reaches first on a hit, an error, a base on balls, a hit batter, or otherwise, and all other runners advance at least one base, in which case the play proceeds without reference to the balk.

It was a thrown ball, not a pitch therefore not HBP.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by TwoBits

However, this is the part that confuses me:

8.05 PENALTY: The ball is dead, and each runner shall advance one base without liability to be put out, unless the batter reaches first on a hit, an error, a base on balls, a hit batter, or otherwise, and all other runners advance at least one base, in which case the play proceeds without reference to the balk.

The term "hit batter" refers to "hit by a pitch." For example, when F1 fails to stop but then pitches legally to the batter, and hits him, then that might be a situation where the balk would be ignored.

But not every throw in the batter's direction is a pitch, as jicecone has endeavored to point out recently. The umpires ruled that Verlander was off the rubber when he threw home and hit DeJesus, so even though the ball was live it was not a pitch.

[ASA/NYSSOBLUE]

Originally Posted by jdmara

Let me throw a wild idea out there (which I know I'm probably going to be wrong) but if the batter is HBP, he would get first base and the runner would be forced to second. The batter and the runner advanced one base and therefore the balk would be ignored? What a wild play...

-Josh

In SOFTBALL - sure

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by ASA/NYSSOBLUE

In SOFTBALL - sure

No.

[ASA/NYSSOBLUE]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

No.

Rule 6 sec 8E (ASA)

[DG]

Illegal pitch with runner on equals balk, either for no stop, or step off front of rubber before pitch, or both. Don't know why it can't be a HBP either way, altough did not look like it hit batter and apparently umpires agreed.