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Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Mon Apr 18, 2011 11:01am

Justin Verlander balk.
 
The Detroit Tigers played a weekend series at the Oakland Athletics this weekend and evidently Justin Verlander, of the Tigers, committed a balk in Saturday's game. I have been told that it was a weird one. Did anybody see or hear about this balk and if so, can they enlighten me and the esteemed members of this board. Thanks.

MTD, Sr.

Welpe Mon Apr 18, 2011 11:05am

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Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Mon Apr 18, 2011 11:16am


Welpe:

Thanks. I went over to the NFHS Forums right after I started this thread and there was a thread about the balk. It looked like something a 10 year old would do.

Friday afternoon, MTD, Jr., and I had a JV game and with the winnig run 3B and a second runner on 1B, the pitcher faked a throw to 1B from the Set position. Game over.

And yes, Junior did work then Plate like a good son. :D

MTD, Sr.

Chris Viverito Mon Apr 18, 2011 11:28am

Looks like the balk was delivering a pitch while not in contact with the rubber.

Seems like he was trying the jump move to first...and missed? Strange one.

jdmara Mon Apr 18, 2011 11:46am

Let me throw a wild idea out there (which I know I'm probably going to be wrong) but if the batter is HBP, he would get first base and the runner would be forced to second. The batter and the runner advanced one base and therefore the balk would be ignored? :confused: What a wild play...

-Josh

Rich Mon Apr 18, 2011 11:50am

Quote:

Originally Posted by jdmara (Post 751445)
Let me throw a wild idea out there (which I know I'm probably going to be wrong) but if the batter is HBP, he would get first base and the runner would be forced to second. The batter and the runner advanced one base and therefore the balk would be ignored? :confused: What a wild play...

-Josh

If it was, indeed, a pitch.

In this case, it appears that the balk was for making a motion associated with a pitch and then throwing home. Keep the ball live, but since it's not a pitch it can't be a HBP.

jdmara Mon Apr 18, 2011 11:53am

Quote:

Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 751446)
If it was, indeed, a pitch.

In this case, it appears that the balk was for making a motion associated with a pitch and then throwing home. Keep the ball live, but since it's not a pitch it can't be a HBP.

I knew I was missing something...Good catch!

-Josh

mbyron Mon Apr 18, 2011 11:57am

Quote:

Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 751446)
If it was, indeed, a pitch.

In this case, it appears that the balk was for making a motion associated with a pitch and then throwing home. Keep the ball live, but since it's not a pitch it can't be a HBP.

+1

That's how I read it, too. 8.05(g)

jicecone Mon Apr 18, 2011 12:49pm

Justin Verlander said that he attemped a move to first, had a "brain fart" and tried to cover it up by throwing home, hoping he could fool the umpires?!!!!

justanotherblue Mon Apr 18, 2011 02:18pm

What would have made this really intersting is if he threw the ball out of play.

BK47 Mon Apr 18, 2011 02:54pm

whats priceless is watching the reaction of the Catcher.

ASA/NYSSOBLUE Mon Apr 18, 2011 04:07pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by jdmara (Post 751445)
Let me throw a wild idea out there (which I know I'm probably going to be wrong) but if the batter is HBP, he would get first base and the runner would be forced to second. The batter and the runner advanced one base and therefore the balk would be ignored? :confused: What a wild play...

-Josh

In SOFTBALL - sure

MD Longhorn Mon Apr 18, 2011 04:24pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by ASA/NYSSOBLUE (Post 751540)
In SOFTBALL - sure

No.

ASA/NYSSOBLUE Mon Apr 18, 2011 08:16pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by mbcrowder (Post 751543)
No.

Rule 6 sec 8E (ASA)

DG Mon Apr 18, 2011 10:13pm

Illegal pitch with runner on equals balk, either for no stop, or step off front of rubber before pitch, or both. Don't know why it can't be a HBP either way, altough did not look like it hit batter and apparently umpires agreed.


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