NCAA Rules Questions

[MikeStrybel]

Here are a couple to consider:

Two outs. B9 bats in place of the proper batter, B8, and grounds out to end the inning. The defensive team did not notice the improper batter and leaves the field.
a.The defensive team can appeal batting out-of-order from the previous half-inning if the next half-inning hasn't started.
b.B1 is the batter that should be leading off the next inning if there was no appeal.
c.B9 should be the next proper batter to lead off the next inning.
d.If B8 leads off the next inning, B8 is not batting out of order.

I know this should be easy, but I have thought about it too much!
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R1, R3, one out. The batter's line drive is caught by F1. Both runners are moving on the pitch. F1 sees that R1 is way off first base and leisurely tosses the ball to F3 to double up R1 for the third out. While this is taking place, R3 has touched home plate prior to the third out at first base. The plate umpire waits until both teams have completely changed sides and awards the old offensive team a run.
a.The plate umpire awards the old offensive team a run and the inning continues.
b.The previous defensive team's coach can have a valid dead-ball appeal to negate the run.
c.There is no score on this play, the inning is over.
d.The previous defensive team cannot appeal because they did not do it before all infielders left the field and the catcher had left the dirt area around home plate.

Timing play? If the players all left the field there is no appeal.

Thanks for the advice.

[Durham]

In your first one B is correct, but I believe A is also correct as per the following:

SECTION 11. A batter is out when:
a. On appeal by the opposing team, the individual fails to bat in the proper
turn and another batter completes a time at bat in that place;
(1) The proper batter may replace the improper batter before the batter
becomes a runner or is put out, and any balls and strikes shall be
counted against the proper batter.
(2) If the improper batter becomes a base runner or is put out and an
appeal is made to the umpire-in-chief before a pitch to the next
batter of either team, or a play or attempted play, the proper batter is
declared out and all runners return to bases held before action by the
improper batter. However, any advances by a runner(s), (e.g., stolen
base, balk, wild pitch, passed ball) while the improper batter is at bat
are legal. If the proper batter is declared out, the next person in the
lineup shall be the batter.

Food for thought.

In the second one A and D both seem correct. The run scores and the defense can not appeal. Probably D though.

[dash_riprock]

1. b

2. d Run scores on a time (not timing) play.

[dash_riprock]

Originally Posted by Durham

In your first one B is correct, but I believe A is also correct as per the following:

SECTION 11. A batter is out when:
a. On appeal by the opposing team, the individual fails to bat in the proper
turn and another batter completes a time at bat in that place;
(1) The proper batter may replace the improper batter before the batter
becomes a runner or is put out, and any balls and strikes shall be
counted against the proper batter.
(2) If the improper batter becomes a base runner or is put out and an
appeal is made to the umpire-in-chief before a pitch to the next
batter of either team, or a play or attempted play, the proper batter is
declared out and all runners return to bases held before action by the
improper batter. However, any advances by a runner(s), (e.g., stolen
base, balk, wild pitch, passed ball) while the improper batter is at bat
are legal. If the proper batter is declared out, the next person in the
lineup shall be the batter.

Food for thought.

In the second one A and D both seem correct. The run scores and the defense can not appeal. Probably D though.

A can't be correct for the first one. The "next half inning" begins at the time of the 3rd out. The defense has not yet lost its right to appeal the BOO.

On the second one, A is not correct because the run is not an awarded run.

Just my take on it.

[Durham]

But can the defense appeal the BOO anytime before the next pitch of the game? Say during warmup pitches of the old offensive team?

[dash_riprock]

Originally Posted by Durham

But can the defense appeal the BOO anytime before the next pitch of the game? Say during warmup pitches of the old offensive team?

Yes. The "no appeal after the fielders have left the field, etc." rule applies only to missed base/retouch appeals.

Except FED.

[dash_riprock]

The second question involves lousy mechanics. PU should indicate the run scores when the 3rd out is called (which is going to be right after R3 touches the plate). Waiting 'til the teams change sides is not the right way to do it. It's a time play - you owe them an answer.

[johnnyg08]

Timing play = no. TIME play = yes

[justanotherblue]

Once the defence leaves the field all appeals are null and void. A team can't appeal at that point. In the first question, B is the proper answer. B-1 directly follows B9 in the batting order.

In the second question, I have to go with D. All members of the defense left the playing field. They forfieted their right to appeal at that moment.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by justanotherblue

Once the defence leaves the field all appeals are null and void. A team can't appeal at that point. In the first question, B is the proper answer. B-1 directly follows B9 in the batting order.

Reference, please (specifically for BOOO appeals)

[justanotherblue]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

reference, please (specifically for booo appeals)

obr, 6.07b, 6.07c, 6.07d.2
mlbum 5.2
ncaa 7.3, 7.11.4, 7.11.4

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by justanotherblue

obr, 6.07b, 6.07c, 6.07d.2
mlbum 5.2
ncaa 7.3, 7.11.4, 7.11.4

Those NCAA references make no sense.

7-11-a(2) does say "...an appeal is made ... before a pitch to the next batter of either team or a play or attempted play..."

(emphasis added).

It doesn't say anything about "Once the defence leaves the field all appeals are null and void" and the part of the rule I highlighted pretty clearly indicates that an appeal can be made after the half-inning has otherwise ended.

[Durham]

I do enjoy talking rules. You learn something new every day. I have a question I'll start in a little bit.

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by justanotherblue

obr, 6.07b, 6.07c, 6.07d.2
mlbum 5.2
ncaa 7.3, 7.11.4, 7.11.4

MLBUM 5.2 is about "normal" 7.10 appeal plays. This isn't one. BOO is covered in MLBUM 3.2.

6.07(b) says hen an improper batter becomes a runner or is put out, and the defensive team appeals to the umpire before the first pitch to the next batter of either team, or before any play or attempted play,

6.07(c) says When an improper batter becomes a runner or is put out, and a pitch is made to the next batter of either team before an appeal is made, the improper batter thereby becomes the proper batter, and the results of his time at bat become legal.

Nowhere is there mention of the defenders leaving the field.

[justanotherblue]

For the BOO appeal only, I've read and re-read, and I'll have to agree that leaving the field doesn't remove the potiential for an appeal by the wording of the rule. Another good quirk in the rules to remember.