A Batting Out of Order Question

[BSUmp16]

The reference you quote is to plays made during the time the improper batter is a batter and before he becomes a batter/runner. Of course an out for batting out of order supersedes an out by the improper batter on a play. No one ever disputed that. You can't just read one section though and ignore the other section. I could just as easily say the opposite of what you're saying by quoting only the penalty section.

I think graymule is on the right track. Apparently I too have had a tough time with BOO since they added the unannounced editorial change ("outs made on play stand"). I appreciate graymule's citation to authority. Thanks

[MrUmpire]

Originally Posted by BSUmp16

The reference you quote is to plays made during the time the improper batter is a batter and before he becomes a batter/runner.

Where do you get this stuff?


"Only the defensive team may appeal batting out of order after the batter has completed his time at bat. Any outs made on the play stand."

I beginning to believe you are most aptly named, BS Ump.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by BSUmp16

The reference you quote is to plays made during the time the improper batter is a batter and before he becomes a batter/runner.

The FED definition of "play" is something like "from the time F1 releases the ball until F1 has the ball back and action is relaxed."

So, in the context of this discussion, "outs on the play stand" means what we've been saying -- outs during the play following the improper batter hitting the ball stand.

If it meant what you imply, it would read "outs made during the improper batter's turn at bat stand"

[greymule]

Doesn't the FED casebook give a definitive example for BOO?

At least we're not dealing with softball, in which the three major codes handle BOO three different ways. In the play where B2 bats instead of B1 and hits into a double play, NCAA follows OBR by having only B1 called out and B2 bat again with R1 returning; FED has B1 and R1 out with B2 batting again; and ASA has B1 out and counts the double play, with B3 leading off the next inning (two batters, three outs).

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by greymule

Doesn't the FED casebook give a definitive example for BOO?

Not for this question. Probably because they don't think it necessary.

[UmpTTS43]

Originally Posted by BSUmp16

The reference you quote is to plays made during the time the improper batter is a batter and before he becomes a batter/runner. Of course an out for batting out of order supersedes an out by the improper batter on a play. No one ever disputed that. You can't just read one section though and ignore the other section. I could just as easily say the opposite of what you're saying by quoting only the penalty section.

As other blindly loyal, blissfully accepting followers have stated, the outs made as a result of the improper batter becoming a batter runner stand.

Any outs made while the improper batter is at bat also stand, attempted stolen base, pickoff, etc. This is true in all three rule codes, FED, NCAA and OBR.

[BSUmp16]

OK - You're right. It's been fun though