Does not touch first base

[Zoochy]

Two Outs. Runners on 2nd and 3rd. Or bases are loaded. Batter hits a ball into the gap. Batter misses 1st base and ends up on 2nd base. All runners score. Before the 1st pitch to the next batter, the pitcher appeals the play at 1st base. Umpire calls the batter out for missing the base. Third out. Can any runs score?

[Forest Ump]

Originally Posted by Zoochy

Two Outs. Runners on 2nd and 3rd. Or bases are loaded. Batter hits a ball into the gap. Batter misses 1st base and ends up on 2nd base. All runners score. Before the 1st pitch to the next batter, the pitcher appeals the play at 1st base. Umpire calls the batter out for missing the base. Third out. Can any runs score?

4.09 HOW A TEAM SCORES.
(a) One run shall be scored each time a runner legally advances to and touches first, second, third and home base before three men are put out to end the inning. EXCEPTION: A run is not scored if the runner advances to home base during a play in which the third out is made (1) by the batter-runner before he touches first base; (2) by any runner being forced out; or (3) by a preceding runner who is declared out because he failed to touch one of the bases.

Same in all codes

[txump81]

No they cannot as the third out was made before the batter touched first base.

[Rich Ives]

The answer is right in the rule book.

4.09(a)

APPROVED RULING: Two out, bases full, batter hits home run over fence. Batter, on appeal, is declared out for missing first base. Three outs. No run counts.

[Sven K]

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

The answer is right in the rule book.

4.09(a)

APPROVED RULING: Two out, bases full, batter hits home run over fence. Batter, on appeal, is declared out for missing first base. Three outs. No run counts.

Same situation this time with the batter missing second base and out on appeal. How many runs score?

[Forest Ump]

Originally Posted by Sven K

Same situation this time with the batter missing second base and out on appeal. How many runs score?

Sven.....I and most on this forum could easily tell you but I listed the rule from the book in post #2. See if you can figure it out. Learn on your own and it will be much clearer for you.

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by Sven K

Same situation this time with the batter missing second base and out on appeal. How many runs score?

Three. None of the exceptions were met.

[Forest Ump]

or have Rich tell you.

[jodibuck]

What is the proper procedure on appeal. Since the ball cleared the fence, we have a dead ball. How would the defense appeal the batter-runner missing first base? We had this occur in a Babe Ruth League tournament game, and the defense verbally appealed, just as a team would in a NFHS game. The umpires did not acknowledge the appeal. When the umpire put the ball back in play, the defense made a proper appeal, and the batter-runner was called out. What if the home run was a "walk off" homer. Would the defense have to request the umpire to give them a ball to make an appeal?

[johnnyg08]

Originally Posted by jodibuck

What is the proper procedure on appeal. Since the ball cleared the fence, we have a dead ball. How would the defense appeal the batter-runner missing first base? We had this occur in a Babe Ruth League tournament game, and the defense verbally appealed, just as a team would in a NFHS game. The umpires did not acknowledge the appeal. When the umpire put the ball back in play, the defense made a proper appeal, and the batter-runner was called out. What if the home run was a "walk off" homer. Would the defense have to request the umpire to give them a ball to make an appeal?

Sounds good to me.

[DG]

Originally Posted by jodibuck

What is the proper procedure on appeal. Since the ball cleared the fence, we have a dead ball. How would the defense appeal the batter-runner missing first base? We had this occur in a Babe Ruth League tournament game, and the defense verbally appealed, just as a team would in a NFHS game. The umpires did not acknowledge the appeal. When the umpire put the ball back in play, the defense made a proper appeal, and the batter-runner was called out. What if the home run was a "walk off" homer. Would the defense have to request the umpire to give them a ball to make an appeal?

I believe the defense would need to remain on the field and let umpire know they intend to appeal. The ball would have to be made live. Umpires would stay on the field knowing that an appeal is possible since one of them knows who missed the base.

Home team manager would subsequently be tossed for vehemently objecting.

[KenL.nation]

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

Three. None of the exceptions were met.

wouldn't only 2 runners score

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by KenL.nation

wouldn't only 2 runners score

The OP mentions R2, R3 OR bases loaded. The appeal at 2B on the BR is a time play, and the time of the out is the time of the appeal. All of the preceding runners would have scored.

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by KenL.nation

wouldn't only 2 runners score

I posted an AR that had the bases loaded. Sven quoted it and asked what would happen if the BR missed 2B instead of 1B.

As the bases were loaded in that situation, the answer is three.

[Sven K]

I figured that the logic is that the out at first is akin to a force, whereas missing the other bases is the equivalent of a belated tag play.

I asked the question not because I didn't understand the rule as quoted but because I thought there might be other rules with which I was not familiar.

OK. Bases loaded. Guy on first out on appeal for not touching second. There is some logic to the idea that he has been "forced" (my terminology of course) at second but it doesn't meet the exception requirement(s). I suppose two runs score, even if the BR circles the bases on the play.