Arguing balls and strikes?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by bsaucer

I was a fan, and attended many home games over the past several years. Sometimes the I could hear the actual words that were said, especially if they were shouted loudly enough.

I, for one, am still not clear on what, if anything, you are asking in this thread.

[Adam]

Comment: There must not be any accountability for this coach if he can get ejected repeatedly and still be coaching.

Comment: If it happens regularly, you really can't blame the umps in any given game; he's lost the credibility required for that.

[bsaucer]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Comment: There must not be any accountability for this coach if he can get ejected repeatedly and still be coaching.

Comment: If it happens regularly, you really can't blame the umps in any given game; he's lost the credibility required for that.

He's been coaching for many years, and has set career records for his team victories.

As for his tendancies for arguing, I've seen him actually WIN arguments several times.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by bsaucer

He's been coaching for many years, and has set career records for his team victories.

As for his tendancies for arguing, I've seen him actually WIN arguments several times.

Can you describe one for us? I'm not sure I've EVER seen a coach "win" an argument... the closest might be when a coach comes out and says, "I think you may have missed a pulled foot there - can you go ask for help?" But that's not really an argument ... nor is it "winning". Examples please?

What level of NCAA is this anyway? The umpires you describe don't sound like NCAA umpires to me.

[bsaucer]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

Can you describe one for us? I'm not sure I've EVER seen a coach "win" an argument... the closest might be when a coach comes out and says, "I think you may have missed a pulled foot there - can you go ask for help?" But that's not really an argument ... nor is it "winning". Examples please?

What level of NCAA is this anyway? The umpires you describe don't sound like NCAA umpires to me.

It's in the Sunbelt Conference. Not sure what "level" that is.

Cases of arguments won: One involving a hit batsman/foul ball situation. I don't remember the details, but the call was reversed after an umpire conference. Another time, the umpire failed to see a play made at third base. After the coach argued with him, the umpires conferred, and then they signaled that the out was made at third. In each case, the coach argued fiercely, "in his face".

[jicecone]

Originally Posted by bsaucer

It's in the Sunbelt Conference. Not sure what "level" that is.

Cases of arguments won: One involving a hit batsman/foul ball situation. I don't remember the details, but the call was reversed after an umpire conference. Another time, the umpire failed to see a play made at third base. After the coach argued with him, the umpires conferred, and then they signaled that the out was made at third. In each case, the coach argued fiercely, "in his face".

Oh yea now I remember, those were both night games.

[MD Longhorn]

Not sure about y'all ... but I'm way past, "Yeah, ok, whatever" on this one.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by bsaucer

He's been coaching for many years, and has set career records for his team victories.

As for his tendancies for arguing, I've seen him actually WIN arguments several times.

On your first point, you've just described Coach Shoshovitski, who for all intents and purposes could probably run Duke U from his office. No accountability for the way they treat officials. In my view, it speaks poorly of their character.

As for your second point, I'll look forward to your reply to mbcrowder's question.

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Comment: There must not be any accountability for this coach if he can get ejected repeatedly and still be coaching.

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