Balk Off win

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Balk in OBR for feinting to an unoccupied base (I'm assuming the move was such that it would have been called a balk if there had been R1).

Why would you judge it a feint if there's no one at the base? There's no one to fake out.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

Why would you judge it a feint if there's no one at the base? There's no one to fake out.

He made a move to the base (assumption) and didn't throw the ball -- that's the definition of a feint. Whether there's anyone to "fake out" is immaterial.

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

He made a move to the base (assumption) and didn't throw the ball -- that's the definition of a feint. Whether there's anyone to "fake out" is immaterial.

Why assume?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

Why assume?

Because it just follows what I had in the previous post -- IF the "shoulder turn" was such that it would be a balk with R1, then it's a balk without R1. I get that from the fact that the OP indicated that he passed on the balk.

[ManInBlue]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Because it just follows what I had in the previous post -- IF the "shoulder turn" was such that it would be a balk with R1, then it's a balk without R1. I get that from the fact that the OP indicated that he passed on the balk.

He turned his shoulders and not a little bit. It was an obvious balk had there been an R1. I probably should have call that one, regardless of where the runners were.

Originally Posted by David B

I'm guessing this is HS ball.

Thanks
David

Just below HS - 13/14's

I'm learning a few things with these comments. I didn't call the balk on the shoulder turn b/c I too had the "there was no one to 'fake out'" philosophy. I never thought about rocking as legal - as the rule quoted above states, one step...to clarify - he did pick his foot up, it was more than just rocking back and forth - it was NOT as obvious as the video however.