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BK47 · #1 (**permalink**) Mon Jun 14, 2010, 06:45am

If you are offering at a pitch, then your hands are a part of the bat. Nothing more needs to be discussed.

I saw this play in real time. From the outfield camera it seemed that he had offered at the pitch and hit a foul ball.

Now lets still think in real time. As I was watching the play, I could hear a distinctive "TING" as the ball hit the bat. No matter if the batter was pulling the bat back or not that to me is a foul ball. If the batter had actually been hit you would not hear a "Ting" of the bat, you would hear a "thud" from the sound of the hand and the ball would not fly as far as it did. That ball went flying, again another sign it did not hit his hand. I learned this a while back in a Sophs game. Stop, Look and Listen, its not only for crossing Train Tracks.

Now actually I think they got the call correct when they all got together. However I can see why the OK coach got pissed off when PU reversed the call and brought his batter back to the plate.

mbyron · #2 (**permalink**) Mon Jun 14, 2010, 07:00am

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Originally Posted by BK47

If you are offering at a pitch, then your hands are a part of the bat.

Citation, please.

Rich · #3 (**permalink**) Mon Jun 14, 2010, 07:28am

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Originally Posted by BK47

If you are offering at a pitch, then your hands are a part of the bat. Nothing more needs to be discussed.

Thanks for playing. Don Pardo, tell BK47 about his consolation prize.

If the batter offers and it hits his hands, it's a dead ball strike. Certainly not the same as "the hands are part of the bat" which would imply that offering and the ball hitting the hands would be foul.

mbyron · #4 (**permalink**) Mon Jun 14, 2010, 08:22am

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Originally Posted by RichMSN

If the batter offers and it hits his hands, it's a dead ball strike.

Right. So even if the ball ends up in fair territory, the ball is dead.

If the hands were part of the bat, that would be a fair ball.

MD Longhorn · #5 (**permalink**) Mon Jun 14, 2010, 03:33pm

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Originally Posted by BK47

If you are offering at a pitch, then your hands are a part of the bat. Nothing more needs to be discussed.

Why do people say completely nonsensical crap like this? I had a PARTNER (a generally good one, and not a newbie) tell me exactly the same thing this weekend. Don't mislead the newbies with this kind of nonsense.

If you are offering at a pitch, IT IS A STRIKE. If it hit you, it's also a dead ball. Let me ask you this - assume the hands are part of the bat... You have two strikes on you... you offer and the ball goes A) foul, or B) fair. If the hands were part of the bat when you offer on a pitch, like you said, then in A, you still have 2 strikes on you and in B, you have a fair ball and should run to first. Now, Mr. Umpire - is that correct in EITHER case? No. You are out in both cases. Dead ball when it hit you. Strike three because you were swigning.

MD Longhorn · #6 (**permalink**) Mon Jun 14, 2010, 03:36pm

And pardon the venom... my bad for coming late to the party... but I about had a fit when my partner told me the same thing you said, just two days ago.

BK47 · #7 (**permalink**) Mon Jun 14, 2010, 06:51pm

Mike, I have already admitted to my mistake. If you are joining the party late please try to read everything.

I agree THE HANDS ARE NOT PART OF THE BAT. My mistake for saying that.

MD Longhorn · #8 (**permalink**) Mon Jun 14, 2010, 07:00pm

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Originally Posted by BK47

Mike, I have already admitted to my mistake. If you are joining the party late please try to read everything.

I agree THE HANDS ARE NOT PART OF THE BAT. My mistake for saying that.

You are correct - I apologize for the overzealous venom.

SanDiegoSteve · #9 (**permalink**) Mon Jun 14, 2010, 07:02pm

So, the hands are part of the bat, right?

UmpJM · #10 (**permalink**) Mon Jun 14, 2010, 07:20pm

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Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

So, the hands are part of the bat, right?

Steve,

That is correct:

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8. Contact with the ball
In these Laws,
(a) reference to the bat shall imply that the bat is held in the batsman’s hand or a glove worn on his hand, unless stated otherwise.

(b) contact between the ball and
either (i) the bat itself
or (ii) the batsman’s hand holding the bat
or (iii) any part of a glove worn on the batsman’s hand holding the bat
or (iv) any additional materials permitted under 3, 5 or 6
shall be regarded as the ball striking or touching the bat, or being struck by the bat.

JM

ozzy6900 · #11 (**permalink**) Mon Jun 14, 2010, 07:28pm

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Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

So, the hands are part of the bat, right?

Yes, Steve, and the foot is part of the base, the head is part of the helmet and the butt is part of the base line.

And if you give me a little time, I'll find something that the testicles can be part of!