Joyce misses one

[KJUmp]

I only saw the replay from one angle, foul side of first. Was there any other replay that showed a bobble or something else weird?
Did Leyland argue?

[tjones1]

Originally Posted by KJUmp

I only saw the replay from one angle, foul side of first. Was there any other replay that showed a bobble or something else weird?
Did Leyland argue?

I don't think Leyland argued until after the game.

[comical]

Leyland came out after the play and talked relatively calmly (at least that's how it looked to me). After the game, however, he came out and let Joyce have it. Some of the Tiger players were out there as well. And after the play but while the game was going on, Miguel Cabrera was clearly letting Joyce know what he thought.

[qcumpire]

Wow! Can you say Don Denkinger? That was so obviously an out, he wouldn't even have had to sell it.

[jimpiano]

Originally Posted by comical

Leyland came out after the play and talked relatively calmly (at least that's how it looked to me). After the game, however, he came out and let Joyce have it. Some of the Tiger players were out there as well. And after the play but while the game was going on, Miguel Cabrera was clearly letting Joyce know what he thought.

By the end of the game the entire Tiger bench had seen the replay.
Joyce got slammed and deservedly so.
How can anyone blow a call that obvious under those conditions?
What an embarrassment to MLB.
The calls for replay will now reach a crescendo.
Joyce's fifteen minutes of fame will now be a week of infamy.

[Jurassic Referee]

You have to admire Galarraga's composure after losing a perfect game that way. Showed a lot of class imo.

[johnnyg08]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

You have to admire Galarraga's composure after losing a perfect game that way. Showed a lot of class imo.

yes indeed. he could've blown a gasket

[RogersUmp]

I don't think he had a good angle. He was still on the line.

[RogersUmp]

Leyland let him have it on the field after the game but he was moreunderstanding in the post game...human element that is part of the game. Called Joyce a very, very good umpire.

[Kevin Finnerty]

We could have had two perfect games in a week and three in a month. Nice job of altering history. Thanks for busting to get a good angle with a guy's once-in-a-lifetime achievement on the line.

Sleep tight.

[qcumpire]

At the risk of being abused by my fellow officials for supporting instant replay. I am watching the Stanley Cup Finals and there was a replay that awarded a goal correctly. This is an example of how instant replay can work(only at the major league level). I say give the Major league managers one challenge during a game. If they are wrong on the challenge, they go bye-bye.

[rinbee]

Originally Posted by jimpiano

By the end of the game the entire Tiger bench had seen the replay.
Joyce got slammed and deservedly so.
How can anyone blow a call that obvious under those conditions?
What an embarrassment to MLB.
The calls for replay will now reach a crescendo.
Joyce's fifteen minutes of fame will now be a week of infamy.

Joyce seemed to be a bit out of position IMHO. Does anyone know if he talked to the other umpires? No one on base, history about to be made, you know everyone is staring at the play. It's possible U2 might have seen enough to convince joyce he was wrong, but I don't even know if the crew discussed it. I have no problem conferring with other umps. These guys make too darn much money not to swallow a little pride now and then.

[jicecone]

Originally Posted by rinbee

Joyce seemed to be a bit out of position IMHO. Does anyone know if he talked to the other umpires? No one on base, history about to be made, you know everyone is staring at the play. It's possible U2 might have seen enough to convince joyce he was wrong, but I don't even know if the crew discussed it. I have no problem conferring with other umps. These guys make too darn much money not to swallow a little pride now and then.

Not too many officials I know concern theirselfs with the score and statistics during the game. He missed a call, get over it.

It was a routine call to him and therefore a discussion was not necessary. Do you have a group hug after each one of your calls just because someone complains? I bet not.

You imply that your an official but, it is obvious that experience is something you just hav'nt achieved yet.

[rinbee]

Originally Posted by jicecone

Not too many officials I know concern theirselfs with the score and statistics during the game. He missed a call, get over it.

It was a routine call to him and therefore a discussion was not necessary. Do you have a group hug after each one of your calls just because someone complains? I bet not.

You imply that your an official but, it is obvious that experience is something you just hav'nt achieved yet.

Your sarcasm is not necessary. A true official is one who wants to get at the right call, not obnoxiously defend a call regardless of the outcome. Yes, I will consult with other members of my crew if someone raises a legitimate question about a call. (If you prefer hugs, that's your choice.) I consider that doing my job to avoid what Joyce did -- ruin a game because of pride. What you call lack of experience on my part I consider arrogance on your part. The game, regardless of level, is for the players, not the umpires. Joyce blew it as we all do at times and we move on. But there is nothing wrong with doing everything possible to make it right when you have the chance to do so.

[UmpJM]

rinbee,

This was not the type of play that it would be appropriate for the calling umpire to get help on.

Your post reveals a fundamental misunderstanding of how a crew officiates.

I agree with jicecone's comments.

JM