FED: Catch or Homerun?

[njdevs00cup]

Interesting situation in a state sectional final game relayed by a fellow umpire. Batter hits a ball to deep center field, F8 leaps backwards (feet in play when he leaps), ball in the glove, falls backwards through the fence (snow fence) and holds the ball up beyond the fence to show he maintained possession. The ruling was a catch.

From what I was told, the offensive manager argued two points: Since the fielder's feet landed beyond the fence it should have been a homerun and the second point which was argued was that a player cannot move or make contact with a snow fence to make a catch.

Was this the correct call?

[newera21]

Seems pretty simple to me-- yes, it's a catch.

[dash_riprock]

Originally Posted by njdevs00cup

Interesting situation in a state sectional final game relayed by a fellow umpire. Batter hits a ball to deep center field, F8 leaps backwards (feet in play when he leaps), ball in the glove, falls backwards through the fence (snow fence) and holds the ball up beyond the fence to show he maintained possession. The ruling was a catch.

From what I was told, the offensive manager argued two points: Since the fielder's feet landed beyond the fence it should have been a homerun and the second point which was argued was that a player cannot move or make contact with a snow fence to make a catch.

Was this the correct call?

Unless he extended the field by stepping on the snow fence (sounds like he didn't), it's a catch and carry. Batter is out, runners (if any) move up one.

[DG]

Originally Posted by njdevs00cup

Interesting situation in a state sectional final game relayed by a fellow umpire. Batter hits a ball to deep center field, F8 leaps backwards (feet in play when he leaps), ball in the glove, falls backwards through the fence (snow fence) and holds the ball up beyond the fence to show he maintained possession. The ruling was a catch.

From what I was told, the offensive manager argued two points: Since the fielder's feet landed beyond the fence it should have been a homerun and the second point which was argued was that a player cannot move or make contact with a snow fence to make a catch.

Was this the correct call?

What's a snow fence? On a regular fence, if fielder jumps up from the field of play, catches the ball, lands on the other side, and still has the ball and can demonstrate voluntary release, that would be a catch.

[Kevin Finnerty]

Does that also apply to a tumbleweed fence? Because I had a ...

[johnnyg08]

Originally Posted by Kevin Finnerty

Does that also apply to a tumbleweed fence? Because I had a ...

Probably not too many snow fences in So Cal huh?

[Welpe]

Snow Fence:



Johnny, you'd be surprised. There are mountains in Southern California with snow and plenty of skiing and snowboarding.

[johnnyg08]

Originally Posted by Welpe

Snow Fence:



Johnny, you'd be surprised. There are mountains in Southern California with snow and plenty of skiing and snowboarding.

I'll take your word for it. Only been to Pac Beach. I stand corrected!

[DG]

We call that a temporary fence around here. What is snow about it?

Catch a ball and fall through it and have voluntary release on the other side and it's a catch. I think runners would advance one, if there were any and less than 2 out.

[jicecone]

It's a temporary plastic fence that is used for barricadeing areas and ls also used in areas to prevent drifting snow from building up where you don't want it. Like on the highway vs off the highway. Some peolple just call it a "snow fence" and some just call it a temporary fence. When not erected or maintained properly in the outfield it can cause problems in ruling catch or no catch.

[Rich Ives]

"Real" snow fence is wooden pickets, not plastic. Plastic would fall over too easily.

[DG]

Never liked them. I think fences should be taller than the players to be non-hazardous.

Many moons ago we played 12 year old games on a field designed for older kids, about 280 down the lines and 300 straight away. We did not bother with temp fences. There were no over the fence HRs, but quite a few that were inside the park. It was a lot of fun watching outfielders and runners run on a line drive in the gap, and no one complained about no fence.

[MrUmpire]

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

"Real" snow fence is wooden pickets, not plastic. Plastic would fall over too easily.

True. To those of us who live where snow fences are all too common, they look like this:

[w_sohl]

Couple things.

First, there is still snow on the moutains in California. At least in the Central VAlley where I am at.

Second, you would be surprised how sturdy those fences are for keeping snow back. When installed properly.

[MrUmpire]

Originally Posted by w_sohl

Couple things.

First, there is still snow on the moutains in California. At least in the Central VAlley where I am at.

Second, you would be surprised how sturdy those fences are for keeping snow back. When installed properly.

I've seen that snow. Flimsy plastic probably holds it back.

Try one of our winters with the snow storms coming in off Lake Ontario and Lake Erie. Those plastic fences don't hold up. They really don't.

However, they are more forgiving and safer in a collision, which is why they are used more frequently and replaced more frequently, in ski areas.