The Official Forum  

Go Back   The Official Forum > Baseball

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
  #1 (permalink)  
Old Wed May 12, 2010, 08:02pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Upstate SC
Posts: 152
Would you eject, #2?

FED rules, playoff game. Neighboring association covered this, not that it matters - just making it clear I wasn't in the video! Two rival schools, though, and likely an intense game. Look at the video around 0:35 in - I think it's a botched squeeze play. It appears the runner lowered his body for the contact, not just the shoulder, but the catcher was set up pretty low also. I've almost convinced myself I would not have ejected the runner, just a good hard baseball play - and that's with the benefit of replaying it over and over. However, I might have EJ'd in real time - HTBT. What do you think?

I did sort of like the catcher showing the ball to the runner, but also know that could easily escalate into something bigger.

Weekend Playoffs: Baseball, Softball - Video - WYFF Greenville
__________________
Never argue with idiots...they drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.

Last edited by scarolinablue; Wed May 12, 2010 at 09:24pm.
Reply With Quote
  #2 (permalink)  
Old Wed May 12, 2010, 08:21pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: NE Ohio
Posts: 7,620
Absolutely MC. No slide, no attempt to avoid F2. Gotta go.
__________________
Cheers,
mb
Reply With Quote
  #3 (permalink)  
Old Wed May 12, 2010, 08:22pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 24
I wouldn't even have to think about this one-- definitely an ejection.
Reply With Quote
  #4 (permalink)  
Old Wed May 12, 2010, 08:34pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: Upper Midwest
Posts: 928
Ditto.
__________________
"I don't think I'm very happy. I always fall asleep to the sound of my own screams...and then I always get woken up to the sound of my own screams. Do you think I'm unhappy?"
Reply With Quote
  #5 (permalink)  
Old Wed May 12, 2010, 08:48pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2001
Posts: 2,716
I agree , HTBT BUT, from where I am right now, the runner went through the catcher to get to HP.

I have to agree with the majority here. See ya.
Reply With Quote
  #6 (permalink)  
Old Wed May 12, 2010, 09:01pm
DG DG is offline
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: North Carolina
Posts: 4,022
Instantaneous ejection for MC. Last time this happened the 3b coach came down and said I did that pretty fast and I said I couldn't have done it fast enough.
Reply With Quote
  #7 (permalink)  
Old Wed May 12, 2010, 09:28pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Upstate SC
Posts: 152
I think I got it...definite EJ on this one under FED. Suppose 1) we don't usually see this type of play in FED ball around here and 2) we sometimes see it in Legion and play on. Need to tighten up a bit on my MC - I see where you can't run through the catcher as badly as this in FED. Most of the MC calls I've made in FED are of the throwing arms out into a fielder and are really obvious - plays like this my first instinct is "he is not required to slide and that's just a good hard play." But, in FED, it's more and it's MC. Got it.
__________________
Never argue with idiots...they drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.
Reply With Quote
  #8 (permalink)  
Old Wed May 12, 2010, 10:33pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: Mississippi
Posts: 1,772
Quote:
Originally Posted by scarolinablue View Post
I think I got it...definite EJ on this one under FED. Suppose 1) we don't usually see this type of play in FED ball around here and 2) we sometimes see it in Legion and play on. Need to tighten up a bit on my MC - I see where you can't run through the catcher as badly as this in FED. Most of the MC calls I've made in FED are of the throwing arms out into a fielder and are really obvious - plays like this my first instinct is "he is not required to slide and that's just a good hard play." But, in FED, it's more and it's MC. Got it.
Basically fielder has the ball, the runner has to avoid the contact. He can slide or try to go around, but never through.
Reply With Quote
  #9 (permalink)  
Old Wed May 12, 2010, 10:38pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Upstate SC
Posts: 152
Quote:
Originally Posted by David B View Post
Basically fielder has the ball, the runner has to avoid the contact. He can slide or try to go around, but never through.
Agreed. Typically, when the fielder is holding the ball, they'll try to get in a pickle, slide, or run around (which usually results in the out of baseline out)...never usually the sitch in the video.
__________________
Never argue with idiots...they drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.
Reply With Quote
  #10 (permalink)  
Old Wed May 12, 2010, 11:08pm
Archaic Power Monger
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Houston, TX
Posts: 5,983
Oh yeah. That's an easy one. Gone.
__________________
Even if you’re on the right track, you’ll get run over if you just sit there. - Will Rogers
Reply With Quote
  #11 (permalink)  
Old Wed May 12, 2010, 11:19pm
Do not give a damn!!
 
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: On the border
Posts: 30,463
This is an easy ejection.

Peace
__________________
Let us get into "Good Trouble."
-----------------------------------------------------------
Charles Michael “Mick” Chambers (1947-2010)
Reply With Quote
  #12 (permalink)  
Old Thu May 13, 2010, 01:01am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Posts: 253
Gone.

Hate the white shirts.

On the play before the collision, lol at the PU doing the reverse cha cha all the way back from 3B and I sure didn't see him see the runner touch the plate.
Reply With Quote
  #13 (permalink)  
Old Thu May 13, 2010, 01:32am
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Lakeside, California
Posts: 6,724
Not only is this an ejection in FED games, it would be an ejection in most amateur adult leagues as well. In the OBR-based adult league I work, they use the NCAA FPSR for force plays and a "No Collision" (umpire judgment applies) rule that is strictly enforced by the umpires.
__________________
Matthew 15:14, 1 Corinthians 1:23-25
Reply With Quote
  #14 (permalink)  
Old Thu May 13, 2010, 05:03am
Administrator
 
Join Date: Sep 1999
Location: Toledo, Ohio, U.S.A.
Posts: 8,044
This definitely a MC ejection per NFHS rules.

Monday night MTD, Jr., had a boys' 12U travel league game that uses NFHS rules and had a 12 year old pull a Pete Rose on Ray Fosse play. The player's coach was none to happy about the ejection.

MTD, Sr.
__________________
Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.
Trumbull Co. (Warren, Ohio) Bkb. Off. Assn.
Wood Co. (Bowling Green, Ohio) Bkb. Off. Assn.
Ohio Assn. of Basketball Officials
International Assn. of Approved Bkb. Officials
Ohio High School Athletic Association
Toledo, Ohio
Reply With Quote
  #15 (permalink)  
Old Thu May 13, 2010, 07:13am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Aug 1999
Posts: 18,016
Quote:
Originally Posted by David B View Post
Basically fielder has the ball, the runner has to avoid the contact. He can slide or try to go around, but never through.
1) The video wouldn't load for me, so I didn't see the specific play.

2) While David's statement is correct, it doesn't mean that the only call for "going through" is MC. MC requires "intent to injure." You could also have plain old, garden variety interference here. (Runner is out, but not ejected).

3) Based on the other comments, the MC (and not just interference) is the correct call in the play presented, but let's not always jump to that conclusion.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Eject...or not.... Andy Softball 22 Wed May 05, 2010 04:50pm
Eject A Fan? Mike L Softball 14 Fri May 08, 2009 08:54pm
For what would you eject? voiceoflg Football 15 Sat Aug 02, 2008 12:49pm
Should I eject or not?!?! NM FP Ump Softball 20 Thu May 08, 2008 09:14am
Would you eject ? Chess Ref Softball 13 Thu Apr 03, 2008 10:45am


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:54am.



Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.3.0 RC1