The weird stuff!

[Skarecrow]

Originally Posted by mbyron

And given my system for writing subs (which I learned from our own Tee).....

Could you share this system for some of us newer officials...always looking for a better way....thanks....Skarecrow

[jicecone]

Originally Posted by Skarecrow

Could you share this system for some of us newer officials...always looking for a better way....thanks....Skarecrow

Not totally sure if this is the same as T's but, substitute comes in game I put his number next to starter and x out his number below, and circle starter number. No scratching out of names and subs should be listed below anyway with names. Circle means the player is eligible to return.

If starter comes back in I simply x out sub number. If another sub comes in for starter, starters number with circle gets x-out. This applies to DH also.

After the game you can easily read the lineup and names if a report is necessary, and it takes less time during the game writing a number, an X, or circling a number.

As already stated here, any change that goes on the sheet is relayed to the other book using numbers 6 for 8 etc. If the team says the ninth batter, well they better have a number to along with that request or we are not playing until there is. I really don't care if the announcer gets the change or not, I leave that up to the teams.

[Crabnut]

I think we already got here, but I am going to run through it the whole way just to be sure I got it right.

The substitute batted in the eighth spot. Doesn’t matter if he was announced wrong or written in the wrong spot in the book or the umpire’s lineup. He batted in the eighth spot. He is legitimately B8 once the next batter steps into the box, regardless of who he reported for, and the old B8 is no longer in the game. The next batter to follow, B1, got on base, whereupon play was stopped and a batting out of order appeal was made. B1 is batting out of order, for B9, who is still in the game regardless of what the book or PU’s lineup says. At that point, B1’s advance is nullified, other runners are returned to where they were before B1 got on base, B9 is declared out, and B1 becomes the next batter.

[His High Holiness]

Originally Posted by Crabnut

I think we already got here, but I am going to run through it the whole way just to be sure I got it right.

The substitute batted in the eighth spot. Doesn’t matter if he was announced wrong or written in the wrong spot in the book or the umpire’s lineup. He batted in the eighth spot. He is legitimately B8 once the next batter steps into the box, regardless of who he reported for, and the old B8 is no longer in the game. The next batter to follow, B1, got on base, whereupon play was stopped and a batting out of order appeal was made. B1 is batting out of order, for B9, who is still in the game regardless of what the book or PU’s lineup says. At that point, B1’s advance is nullified, other runners are returned to where they were before B1 got on base, B9 is declared out, and B1 becomes the next batter.

You are 100% correct in OBR and NCAA. However, this ruling is based on a phone conversation in 2001 between CC and Fitzpatrick. There is no known written record of this ruling. The BRD also says that you are correct in FED but that is Carl's opinion since FED has never ruled on this.

The exceptions are:

1. A pitcher entering the game to bat where the DH rule is used NCAA or OBR.

2. A reentering B9 Pinch hitter in FED batting for B8.

Peter

[TussAgee11]

Originally Posted by Crabnut

I think we already got here, but I am going to run through it the whole way just to be sure I got it right.

The substitute batted in the eighth spot. Doesn’t matter if he was announced wrong or written in the wrong spot in the book or the umpire’s lineup. He batted in the eighth spot. He is legitimately B8 once the next batter steps into the box, regardless of who he reported for, and the old B8 is no longer in the game. The next batter to follow, B1, got on base, whereupon play was stopped and a batting out of order appeal was made. B1 is batting out of order, for B9, who is still in the game regardless of what the book or PU’s lineup says. At that point, B1’s advance is nullified, other runners are returned to where they were before B1 got on base, B9 is declared out, and B1 becomes the next batter.

Sounds fine to me EXCEPT you only return runners to where they were before the improper batter if their advancement was the result of the improper batter's actions. A steal, balk, wild pitch/passed ball, all count. I believe a steal on a CI counts as well. There are some other examples, OBS on a pickoff perhaps, that may allow him to stay where he is, or at the very least, not retreat back all the way to where he was when the improper batter came up.