Legal or not.....

[Matt]

Originally Posted by SAump

1-3-3 doesn't mention the batting sleeves which are legal and have replaced the original batting donuts which I believe are illegal. Thought they (LL and FED) said no to "original" baseball donuts. Reason for long weighted sleeves and new models of weighted bats being designed by manufacturers which do not "fly off" at the handle. Reason iron bars became popular around here. Concerns over safety issues brought about legal concerns. If donuts owners were broke to begin with, why pay more for the same amount of benefit?

Again, 1-3-3 specifically states donuts are legal.

LL banned donuts years ago. I assume that ban is still in place; haven't done a game there in over a decade.

[SAump]

Originally Posted by Matt

Again, 1-3-3 specifically states donuts are legal.

LL banned donuts years ago. I assume that ban is still in place; haven't done a game there in over a decade.

I wikied baseball donut and saw a picture of Pudge swinging a bat in a Rangers uniform. The donut on his bat is the larger 6-inch legal version found across the country today. It isn't the bat-size 1-inch rubber coated iron donut popular 20 years ago.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baseball_doughnut

If the little donut is sold by DiMarini and is legal, on which MLB club on-deck circle will I find it? Is there a major college baseball team swinging DiMarini bats along with the $7 Dimarini donuts in the on-deck circle?

http://www.weplaysports.com/bat/weight/

[Publius]

Originally Posted by Umpmazza

how or why do you not think this is a weighted bat/ warm up bat?

It doesn't have a barrel.

'No one is calling this a "bat" but a "weighted bat".'

I suppose I can concede that, if "weighted bat" is a compound noun. I read it as a noun modified by an adjective. For it to be a "weighted bat", it must first be a bat.

Regardless, I missed the question. Chris didn't ask if it was a bat, a weighted bat, or a bacon double cheeseburger; he asked if it was legal for a batter to have it in the on-deck circle under FED rules.

I don't think they're legal, and don't care. I won't ban them even if is determined they are not, just as I've never balked a "gorilla-arming" pitcher, made anybody get rid of "big-league chew", wrote a report over baseballs without a NFHS stamp, told anyone sua sponte to get rid of jewelry, restricted anyone to the dugout, or enforced a host of other FED stupidity, either.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by SAump

I wikied baseball donut and saw a picture of Pudge swinging a bat in a Rangers uniform. The donut on his bat is the larger 6-inch legal version found across the country today. It isn't the bat-size 1-inch rubber coated iron donut popular 20 years ago.

Baseball doughnut - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If the little donut is sold by DiMarini and is legal, on which MLB club on-deck circle will I find it? Is there a major college baseball team swinging DiMarini bats along with the $7 Dimarini donuts in the on-deck circle?

Bat Weights

1) We're discussing (I think) FED rules, so "what's found in MLB on-deck circles" is irrelevant.

2) Just because something isn't found there, doesn't make it illegal. They are just as (or more) susceptible to trends as anyone else.

3) It's possible that having the weight distributed over a larger area provides some benefit to the batter (or at least that someone made that calim). Again, this has nothing to do with legality.

[SAump]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

1) We're discussing (I think) FED rules, so "what's found in MLB on-deck circles" is irrelevant.

My point is the donut sleeve is legal in LL, HS, NCAA, MiLB and MLB. The fact that rule 1-3-3 states "batting donut" may reflect the age difference between those who write the rules and those who play the game on the field while using an approved batting donut sleeve in the warmup circle. Modern equipment generally replaces vintage equipment on the field.

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

2) Just because something isn't found there, doesn't make it illegal. They are just as (or more) susceptible to trends as anyone else.

The possibility of misrepresenting FED approval of the traditional batting donut looms. The legal question is, "What is the FED policy on the batting donut which LL baseball does not permit on the field?"

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by SAump

The legal question is, "What is the FED policy on the batting donut which LL baseball does not permit on the field?"

I don't know, nor do I care, what donuts LL has allowed or outlawed. All donuts (assuming they don't fly off the end of the bat) are legal in FED.

[SAump]

Originally Posted by Matt

Again, 1-3-3 specifically states donuts are legal.

LL banned donuts years ago. I assume that ban is still in place; haven't done a game there in over a decade.

Yes, batting donuts are legal. Did I state batting donuts were illegal? This argument has no merit because I also acknowledge batting donuts are legal. BTW, LL specifically states that batting donuts are legal too.

It does not specifically mention that the traditional 1" inch donuts are legal.

I asked whether 1-3-3 includes 1" donuts which are illegal in other jurisdictions. LL rules specifically state that traditional batting donuts are illegal. The fact that FED does not mention it, does not make it legal either. Checking w/ my supervisor is easier than asking about it here.

[DG]

I believe that "remains part of the bat" refers to devices used during warmup, and certainly must come off before going to the plate with bat. Normally, batters warmup by holding the handle end so as long as the device does not come off while swinging warmups it is legal. The "warmup bat" shown in original post is a weighted bat made for the purpose of warming up. It has a handle with a knob on it, like a regular bat, and a weight at the other end. It does not have a barrel because there is no need for one.

A doughnut that flies off the end of the bat during normal use is illegal.