pitcher tosses glove with ball

[cviverito]

Looking for a rules reference for NCAA. Fielder gloves batted or thrown ball and it lodges in his glove. He tosses the ball and glove combination to another fielder in order to complete a force or a tag.

I am ruling live ball umpire the result. But I am getting a lot of opposition from other umpires. The only rule I have to support my decision is under rule 6.4.d: which eliminates a pitched ball lodged in a catchers glove from becoming dead. It does not deal with a batted or thrown ball.

I think the opposition comes from the HS rule, which is a literal and complete interpretation of the word "equipment" and detailed in the case book (5.1.1, Situation Q). But again, I am looking for an NCAA rule to support or oppose my ruling. Anyone?

[dash_riprock]

You have it right. Ask the other umpires to show you the rule that makes the ball dead.

[cviverito]

Rip - thanks for that. I did challenge them and they are spouting a bunch of non-relevant shtuff instigating more futile debate. I have no doubt I am right. I am asking for support for two reasons:

1. To shut them up
2. I may be on the field with them someday

Thing is...I've scoured the rules book but cannot find a direct statement. I don't think it exists.

[bossman72]

Originally Posted by cviverito

Rip - thanks for that. I did challenge them and they are spouting a bunch of non-relevant shtuff instigating more futile debate. I have no doubt I am right. I am asking for support for two reasons:

1. To shut them up
2. I may be on the field with them someday

Thing is...I've scoured the rules book but cannot find a direct statement. I don't think it exists.

Only FED has it as a dead ball and 2 base award.

[GA Umpire]

Originally Posted by bossman72

Only FED has it as a dead ball and 2 base award.

This may be where they are pulling it from.

[cviverito]

GA Ump - I get that. I know the fed rule is different. To satisfy the doubters, I need an NCAA rules reference. What I have shown them is not good enough because it does not specifically say that a ball lodged in a glove is still live. Of course - it does not say it is dead either, but again...that's not good enough. I understand the ruling by looking at it as a disjunctive syllogism...which can be a tough concept to grasp...not to mention spell