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no, it doesn't have to be dead...basically any appeal in FED works. live ball, dead ball, head coach appeal...to my knowledge, they're all good...all but the accidental appeal where the umpire simply calls the runner/BR out.
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I'm out of town on business at the moment and don't have my FED books with me, but I don't believe that's correct. I can't quote you "chapter and verse" at the moment, but I believe that Dash's assertion that the (solely) verbal appeal in FED is only sustained when the ball is dead and any runners have "completed" their baserunning. JM
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The automatic appeal (which isn't really an appeal at all) is the play where the umpire calls a runner out for a baserunning infraction (such as a missed base) when he sees it. No action is required by the defense to initiate such an appeal. This rule, defunct for years, actually brought umpiring a little closer to officiating in other sports, where a violation is flagged, whistled, etc. immediately, without requiring the defense to notice it and do something to initiate the penalty. The accidental appeal is the play where a fielder happens to have the ball and step on a base that a runner has just missed, not intending thereby to appeal an infraction. This would happen most commonly at 1B, on a play where the ball is late, the runner is well past the base, but has missed the base. There's still a case in the case book (8.2.3) that seems to legitimize the accidental appeal, though it conflicts with the rule change (8-2-6). As usual, terminology matters.
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The accidental appeal in Fed was actually the accidental force play, though it did apply at 1B, which is of course not technically a force.
It applied only on missed bases to which a runner was forced, not to non-forced bases or bases left too soon. If the BR beat the throw to 1B but missed the bag, he was to be called out. If a forced runner missed 2B and was tagged after he reached 3B safely, he was also to be called out on the accidental force play. (The theory, contrary to every other code, was that he had not yet touched 2B.) It was the accidental force play that I was thinking of when I said, "a few years ago" in an earlier post. I think the accidental force play went out in 2001 or 2002.
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 As someone who has been going to KISS concerts since 1975, I'm looking forward to next Friday, where I will once again break out the KISS gear and make the pilgrimage to the San Diego Sports Arena. I'm not really crazy about the opening act, Buckcherry, but I'm not going there to see them anyway.
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(Should we be ashamed to admit that?  )KISS was the first "real" concert I ever attented at the ripe old age of 15. After that show, all the other concerts I attended just weren't quite the same! The last one was four years ago, the last time they swung through my area. I think that was called their "Final Farewell For About the Third Time And This Time We Really, Really Mean It And You Better Buy A Ticket Because You'll Never Have The Chance To See Us Again Tour". And, naturally, they're still touring... In between the first one and the last one, I got to see them about half a dozen different times.
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Just asking a question. Not to be construed as a statement/opinion on the musical talent or lack thereof of any individual or group, nor is it intended to initiate a discussion on who's the best/worst at anything. Just curious. Enjoy the show.
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