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Old Mon Nov 09, 2009, 09:57pm
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You really have a way about you.

How many ways can I say that I would have them play the game regardless? I will stay within the regulations AND make sure the game is played even at my own expense, if necessary.

Are you really this obtuse, or is it just some act that goes with your online persona?

And, based on some of the stuff you write, you shouldn't be the judge of what is the intelligent thing to do.
I find it strange that you need to insult when none was aimed at you.

Not obtuse, just looking for a straightforward answer to my question, which you still have not supplied.

I'll repeat it again without any personal comment aimed at you:

...if you had no baseballs, and the balls the teams had were equal to, or better (not difficult) than the FED approved balls, but did not have the FED mark on them, would you refuse to work the game, thus sending the visiting team back on their bus and home?

A simple yes or no will suffice.
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Old Mon Nov 09, 2009, 10:23pm
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I find it strange that you need to insult when none was aimed at you.

Not obtuse, just looking for a straightforward answer to my question, which you still have not supplied.

I'll repeat it again without any personal comment aimed at you:

...if you had no baseballs, and the balls the teams had were equal to, or better (not difficult) than the FED approved balls, but did not have the FED mark on them, would you refuse to work the game, thus sending the visiting team back on their bus and home?

A simple yes or no will suffice.
So it is an act.

Less than you deserve will suffice.
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Old Mon Nov 09, 2009, 10:25pm
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So it is an act.

Less than you deserve will suffice.
Well, at least you admit that no answer is less than I deserve.

I will not speculate as to why you refuse to answer a simple question. I'm sure you have some reason.
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Old Tue Nov 10, 2009, 10:13am
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I'm sure you would agree, the goal is to get them on the field and get the game played, right?
And I think we would all agree. Well almost all.

When it went in, and was emphasized so strongly at the meeting, I was amused. It seemed odd that so much emphasis was being placed on what the surface of the ball was decorated with. We can all tell a quality leather baseball from a knock-off piece of crap, and if it's even standard, we play a game with it. But not in this particular unit, which is demanding full compliance.

I always carry a bucket of near-new baseballs, because I throw a lot of batting practice throughout the year, and I like to use pearls because they're easy to see. I also usually have a case or two of new ones to rotate in when some of them get soiled. Well, I just ordered NFHS balls this time so that I can ensure that there always will be compliance and no problems or lame bullsh!t stories to put on my report.

It's not necessary to be a tight-@ssed, anal (the same thing), black & white, by-the-book fool or idiot to be in compliance with this curious rule no matter what, but instead just an umpire that quietly complies with the edicts set forth by the guy that assigns most of his high school and MSBL games.

EXAMPLE: I painted all the white and silver marks on my New Balance shoes with black nail polish to be in compliance with the same unit's all-black shoe edict. Five guys came to the playoff meeting with Reebok or New Balance base shoes with the white logos, and they were taken off the list of playoff umpires. I touch up my shoes, I crease my caps, I drive anywhere to take a game, I always accept the games I'm assigned, I never ask for anything ... and I always comply with the NFHS edict on the baseballs.

It's simple to understand ... for almost everyone.
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Old Tue Nov 10, 2009, 10:19am
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Kevin,

What does your association make of the Official FED Interp that says:

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The umpire should play a scheduled game where no authenticated baseballs are available and then report the game to the state association.
Because it seems to me that your association's policy to NOT allow the game without "marked" baseballs is in direct contradiction to "the NFHS edict on the baseballs".

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Old Tue Nov 10, 2009, 10:43am
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Kevin,

What does your association make of the Official FED Interp that says:



Because it seems to me that your association's policy to NOT allow the game without "marked" baseballs is in direct contradiction to "the NFHS edict on the baseballs".

JM
JM, This was last year; this year may be different. I have rapport with one of the wheels, and I was going to bring it up to him after you mentioned this and the comments started flowing. I only know of one of the umpires that refused to play a game for this reason, but I heard that there were a few.

It's really preposterous. These kids bust their @sses all week to play these games. And many of their folks bust theirs to get off work (like we do) and get to their son's game. All so some umpire can refuse to allow the game to be played because of incorrect baseballs?!? This whole deal that we pull off is already difficult enough, and in many cases, ridiculous enough that we don't have to make it any more difficult or ridiculous with crap like this.
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Old Tue Nov 10, 2009, 02:36pm
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JM, This was last year; this year may be different.
i believe the comment JM references was in last year's book as well.
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Old Tue Nov 10, 2009, 05:40pm
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Next year, [follow closely] they [the leadership of the unit] may choose to enforce it differently than they did this year.
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Old Thu Nov 12, 2009, 01:44pm
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is mound height any different, according to your statement above? They are both in the same boat as far as I am concerned.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but to imply that allowing play with a non-stamped ball as getting away with doing as little as possible is insulting and arrogant on your part.
And this isn't insulting and arrogant?? Good grief!

I wasn't implying anything. My statement was regarding the umpire who would refuse to play the game because of non-compliant baseballs. How did you get the polar opposite out of that?

You have a skewed sense of things. No mound height is not the same ... not even close, really. I don't know how you could associate the two. But it does make for an especially specious bit of grandstanding, there.

Anchored bases and an intact home plate are required for the playing of a game around here. For an at-bat, an intact, approved helmet and a certified bat are also required. Those are the main things I attend to and require compliance with. Mound height is definitely an entirely different subject, and one that is almost never addressed at the high school rules and compliance meetings. As a matter of fact, there are some freshman and lousy school JV and varsity games that are played at city parks without mounds. At the college level, none of these things are ever a concern.

Now, if the H.S. rules chairman demanded that we concern ourselves with mound height, then I guess I would be concerned with it. Otherwise, except to create an irrelevant comparison like yours, it's of virtually no concern.
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Old Tue Nov 17, 2009, 04:03pm
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Gentlemen,

FED Rule 1-3-1 clearly and unequivocally states:

"The NFHS Authenticating mark is required on all balls that will be used in high school competition."

If you are working a FED game as the UIC and there are no baseballs available at the game site with the required Authenticating Mark, though there is an ample supply of baseballs that appear to be otherwise perfectly suitable, what do you do?

Thanks.

JM
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Depends upon what state you are from

In my area we had a protest upheld because the wrong baseball were used.

I was not involved in the game but around the 3 - 4th inning the VT coach lodged a protest that the proper baseballs were not being used. The game continued. The protest was upheld and the game was replayed in it's entirety.

You asked "what do you do?

I would call over the AD (if available) of the home school along with the coaches. if the VT coach (In HS the Home school supplies the baseballs) objected, I would then call my HS assignor to get clarification.

In other words, I would not start the game unless i got the ok from the "powers that be" because we already had a protest upheld because the wrong baseballs were used.

Therefore, it depends upon the state you live in and protest procedures if any that apply.

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Old Tue Nov 24, 2009, 10:25am
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I did some research and I came up with three manufactorer's that made FED legal baseballs. The three are Rawlings, Wilson and Diamond.
I think that the NFHS should be alerted to the fact that manufacturers like Worth, Baden, Pro 9 and even some others like Baseball Express are fraudulently putting the NFHS stamp on their baseballs, when only three companies--according to extensive research--are authorized to do so.

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Old Tue Nov 24, 2009, 10:48am
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I just looked in my box of baseballs (those that I "forgot" to leave on the plate at the end of the game) and found a Trump MG-BH-T baseball with the NFHS stamp on it.
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Old Tue Nov 24, 2009, 11:36am
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Oh yeah, Trump!

See what you can come up with when you do some real research?
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Old Tue Nov 24, 2009, 11:41am
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I checked in my trunk and I found a Toys R Us baseball, that was FED rated, imagine that!!!!
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Old Tue Nov 24, 2009, 12:02pm
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I checked in my trunk and I found a Toys R Us baseball, that was FED rated, imagine that!!!!
I bet it's far better than the Trump ball.
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