The Official Forum  

Go Back   The Official Forum > Baseball
Hey! A Baseball Question! Hey! A Baseball Question!
Register FAQ Community Calendar Today's Posts Search

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
  #1 (permalink)  
Old Tue Nov 03, 2009, 07:06pm
JJ JJ is offline
Veteran College Umpire
  
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: IN
Posts: 1,122
Hey! A Baseball Question!
Runners on 2nd and 3rd, 2 outs. Fly ball. R3 thinking there were less than two outs goes back to 3rd to tag up, coach seeing that the smart runner at 2nd is about to pass R3 pushes him (R3) off toward home. RF drops the flyball in right center, allowing R2 to score. Question is does the run count or not? R3 is out for coaches interference, but is it a delayed dead ball? How would you administer this?

JJ
Reply With Quote
  #2 (permalink)  
Old Tue Nov 03, 2009, 07:22pm
Official Forum Member
  
Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 2,280
If R3 is out, how would it be possible for R2 to score? The DDB only exists in FED, and that wouldn't even apply to this situation. As soon as I see the 3B coach assist R3, I call him out and the inning is over. Is there some other way to administer this?
Reply With Quote
  #3 (permalink)  
Old Tue Nov 03, 2009, 07:44pm
Official Forum Member
  
Join Date: Aug 2000
Posts: 3,236
Quote:
Originally Posted by JJ View Post
Runners on 2nd and 3rd, 2 outs. Fly ball. R3 thinking there were less than two outs goes back to 3rd to tag up, coach seeing that the smart runner at 2nd is about to pass R3 pushes him (R3) off toward home. RF drops the flyball in right center, allowing R2 to score. Question is does the run count or not? R3 is out for coaches interference, but is it a delayed dead ball? How would you administer this?

JJ
R3 is immediately out - ending the inning.

If there had been less than 2 outs R3 would be immediately out but play would continue.
__________________
Rich Ives
Different does not equate to wrong
Reply With Quote
  #4 (permalink)  
Old Tue Nov 03, 2009, 08:32pm
Official Forum Member
  
Join Date: Aug 1999
Posts: 18,020
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rich Ives View Post
R3 is immediately out - ending the inning.

If there had been less than 2 outs R3 would be immediately out but play would continue.
Agreed. Curious as to why JJ is posting this. Maybe there's a "trick" I'm not seeing.
Reply With Quote
  #5 (permalink)  
Old Tue Nov 03, 2009, 10:32pm
JJ JJ is offline
Veteran College Umpire
  
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: IN
Posts: 1,122
Nope, no trick. Just thought it was time to post a baseball question, so I did - albeit a fairly easy one.

JJ
Reply With Quote
  #6 (permalink)  
Old Tue Nov 03, 2009, 10:49pm
Senior Member
  
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Lakeside, California
Posts: 6,724
Quote:
Originally Posted by JJ View Post
Nope, no trick. Just thought it was time to post a baseball question, so I did - albeit a fairly easy one.

JJ
A baseball question...now there's a novel idea!
__________________
Matthew 15:14, 1 Corinthians 1:23-25
Reply With Quote
  #7 (permalink)  
Old Wed Nov 18, 2009, 01:08pm
Official Forum Member
  
Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 1,226
Quote:
Originally Posted by bob jenkins View Post
Agreed. Curious as to why JJ is posting this. Maybe there's a "trick" I'm not seeing.
R2 would be sent back to the base occupied at the time of the interference.
Reply With Quote
  #8 (permalink)  
Old Wed Nov 18, 2009, 02:42pm
Official Forum Member
  
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Chasing the dream
Posts: 433
Quote:
Originally Posted by bossman72 View Post
R2 would be sent back to the base occupied at the time of the interference.
From the OP:

Runners on 2nd and 3rd, 2 outs.
Reply With Quote
  #9 (permalink)  
Old Wed Nov 18, 2009, 02:43pm
Official Forum Member
  
Join Date: Aug 2000
Posts: 3,236
Quote:
Originally Posted by bossman72 View Post
R2 would be sent back to the base occupied at the time of the interference.
No. In this case the ball remains live and play continues.
__________________
Rich Ives
Different does not equate to wrong
Reply With Quote
  #10 (permalink)  
Old Wed Nov 18, 2009, 02:50pm
Official Forum Member
  
Join Date: Aug 1999
Posts: 18,020
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rich Ives View Post
No. In this case the ball remains live and play continues.
Depends on the rules code, I think (but it's basketball season, so the baseball section of my brain is in hibernation).
Reply With Quote
  #11 (permalink)  
Old Wed Nov 18, 2009, 03:24pm
Official Forum Member
  
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: NY
Posts: 1,428
Quote:
Originally Posted by zm1283 View Post
The DDB only exists in FED
It exists in all codes, they just don't call it the way FED does.
Reply With Quote
  #12 (permalink)  
Old Wed Nov 18, 2009, 04:07pm
Official Forum Member
  
Join Date: May 2007
Location: NorCal
Posts: 338
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rich Ives View Post
R3 is immediately out - ending the inning.

If there had been less than 2 outs R3 would be immediately out but play would continue.
actually on a coach assist play... the ball is live and you wait for the outcome of the play.. then call time.. and interference...cause if R3 is thrown out then we dont have interference right?
__________________
"My greatest fear is that when I die, my wife will sell my golf clubs for what I told her I paid for them."
Reply With Quote
  #13 (permalink)  
Old Wed Nov 18, 2009, 04:19pm
Official Forum Member
  
Join Date: Aug 1999
Posts: 18,020
Quote:
Originally Posted by Umpmazza View Post
actually on a coach assist play... the ball is live and you wait for the outcome of the play.. then call time.. and interference...cause if R3 is thrown out then we dont have interference right?
No. The assisted runner is out immediately. The ball remains live (at least for a while) for (at least) plays on the other runners.
Reply With Quote
  #14 (permalink)  
Old Wed Nov 18, 2009, 05:12pm
JJ JJ is offline
Veteran College Umpire
  
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: IN
Posts: 1,122
Quote:
Originally Posted by bob jenkins View Post
No. The assisted runner is out immediately. The ball remains live (at least for a while) for (at least) plays on the other runners.
Yep, and if there were less than two out the runners would end up where they end up - they don't get sent back to where they were at the time of the interference. That allows the defense to make plays on them.

JJ
Reply With Quote
  #15 (permalink)  
Old Wed Nov 18, 2009, 05:26pm
Official Forum Member
  
Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 2,057
Send a message via Yahoo to UmpJM
Cool
Quote:
Originally Posted by JJ View Post
Yep, and if there were less than two out the runners would end up where they end up - they don't get sent back to where they were at the time of the interference. That allows the defense to make plays on them.

JJ
JJ,

Except in FED of course, where the defense may still get additional outs following the infraction, but remaining runners are returned to their TOI(nfraction) base.

JM
__________________
Finally, be courteous, impartial and firm, and so compel respect from all.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

« Previous Thread | Next Thread »

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
OT - baseball question Mark Padgett Basketball 4 Wed May 27, 2009 03:03pm
Question from a baseball umpire JR12 Football 7 Sat Dec 27, 2008 11:44am
Legion Baseball Question Gmoore Baseball 36 Thu Aug 07, 2008 09:00pm
Question for the baseball guys Mark Padgett Basketball 67 Thu Sep 06, 2007 05:56am
Off-Topic Baseball Question ChuckElias Basketball 3 Thu Jun 19, 2003 02:35am


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:52am.

The Official Forum - Archive - Top


Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.3.0 RC1