WTF Just Happened at 3rd NY vs LAA

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Tim McClelland's response in his own words (select "Umpire Blunders in 4th Game")....

New York Yankees vs. Los Angeles Angels - Recap - October 20, 2009 - ESPN

Did no one (Angles) ask Tim if he would get help from his partners? I would have done so if I felt I was screened from the tag in a situation like this...

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

I hate the idea of instant replay. I would just like to see calls like this that aren't even close get called right.

Originally Posted by UMP25

How about better umpiring?

I'm not disagreeing with you, just saying.......

I've attended alot of MLB games and it used to be if there was a close play they wouldn't show the replay in the stadium to "incite the fans." Now, it seems like the thing to do...... Rough night.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by grunewar

I'm not disagreeing with you, just saying.......

I've attended alot of MLB games and it used to be if there was a close play they wouldn't show the replay in the stadium to "incite the fans." Now, it seems like the thing to do...... Rough night.

They still are not supposed to show replays of extremely close or controversial calls in the stadiums. I don't know why they are violating this policy.

[chuckfan1]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

They still are not supposed to show replays of extremely close or controversial calls in the stadiums. I don't know why they are violating this policy.

They are not supposed to and they didnt , nothing has changed. Nothing was violated. They are not supposed to show controversial plays on the scoreboards, big screens etc....and they didnt.
The crowd was reacting to seeing it on tvs throughtout the stadium. In the luxery boxes, concession stands, and the tvs placed around the concourse on the inside....as at all stadiums.
Nothing was shown on the two main boards....

[Umpmazza]

Originally Posted by chuckfan1

They are not supposed to and they didnt , nothing has changed. Nothing was violated. They are not supposed to show controversial plays on the scoreboards, big screens etc....and they didnt.
The crowd was reacting to seeing it on tvs throughtout the stadium. In the luxery boxes, concession stands, and the tvs placed around the concourse on the inside....as at all stadiums.
Nothing was shown on the two main boards....

are you telling me 45K people were at the snack bar at the same time watching the replay? for 2 times this week I have to agree with steve here..LOL

[btdt]

I choose to use the mistakes of others at any level as a learning tool for myself. Especially all levels of professional ball. If it can happen to them, it can happen to me. .......

I don't see how it could improve my abilities by ragging on them over and over. It is obvious to everyone it was an unfortunate situation by long time quality umpires.

How can I avoid being involved in a similar situation and if I do get involved in a similar situation, what should I do?
What caused these situations in the first place?

I prefer to leave most of the b.s. to the t.v. guys and others who have no idea how to umpire.

[Kevin Finnerty]

Originally Posted by btdt

I choose to use the mistakes of others at any level as a learning tool for myself. Especially all levels of professional ball. If it can happen to them, it can happen to me. .......

I don't see how it could improve my abilities by ragging on them over and over. It is obvious to everyone it was an unfortunate situation by long time quality umpires.

How can I avoid being involved in a similar situation and if I do get involved in a similar situation, what should I do?
What caused these situations in the first place?

I prefer to leave most of the b.s. to the t.v. guys and others who have no idea how to umpire.

It's not b.s. It's cogent and well-informed criticism. It's also genuine. We love baseball and umpiring and we believe that the practitioners of the craft at its very highest level should perform their job better than this.

I learn from everyone, and I recognize and appreciate the value of both exceptional work and shoddy work. A public figure willingly places himself in a position to be criticized by the masses. That's what is at play when the work of someone like Tim McClelland is blasted like this.

[chuckfan1]

Originally Posted by Umpmazza

are you telling me 45K people were at the snack bar at the same time watching the replay? for 2 times this week I have to agree with steve here..LOL

For one, ummm, nope not telling you there were 45K at the snack bar. I was there, 2nd row, behind the photographers well, and there were no replays on any of those calls , none.
In fact, two people sitting in front of me were remarking they couldnt wait to see the replay on the Jumbotron of the tag-up play. A couple of us explained that MLB does not allow teams/stadium personal to show controversial plays. And they didnt in this case.

The reaction by the crowd was loud, but you can bet if they were shown on the scoreborads, it would have been much more....

[Kevin Finnerty]

Originally Posted by chuckfan1

For one, ummm, nope not telling you there were 45K at the snack bar. I was there, 2nd row, behind the photographers well, and there were no replays on any of those calls , none.
In fact, two people sitting in front of me were remarking they couldnt wait to see the replay on the Jumbotron of the tag-up play. A couple of us explained that MLB does not allow teams/stadium personal to show controversial plays. And they didnt in this case.

The reaction by the crowd was loud, but you can bet if they were shown on the scoreborads, it would have been much more....

Most everyone within a couple hundred feet could see that Cano and Posada were both off the bag when they were tagged. That's a lot of people; they can make quite a sound. Add some of the other people who were farther away that saw it easily, plus the ones watching monitors live and on replay, and you have a big-time roar.

[JRutledge]

This was about as bad of a call by an official that I have ever seen. This is not something I would expect a 2 man crew to miss. If a guy like this cannot get this call right no matter the situation, it is time to bring up someone else to work these games. These are two of the worst calls I have seen in my life (the first being the foul ball call in the Minnesota series). I do not get how guys have less places to go on the field and more umpires cannot get this simple play right.

Peace

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by chuckfan1

They are not supposed to and they didnt , nothing has changed. Nothing was violated. They are not supposed to show controversial plays on the scoreboards, big screens etc....and they didnt.
The crowd was reacting to seeing it on tvs throughtout the stadium. In the luxery boxes, concession stands, and the tvs placed around the concourse on the inside....as at all stadiums.
Nothing was shown on the two main boards....

Well, the TV announcers said on the blown pick-off of Swisher at 2nd base by Dale Scott that the fans were watching the replay on the Jumbotron and reacting to the blown call. Why would they say that if they didn't see the replay themselves along with the fans?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

Well, the TV announcers said on the blown pick-off of Swisher at 2nd base by Dale Scott that the fans were watching the replay on the Jumbotron and reacting to the blown call. Why would they say that if they didn't see the replay themselves along with the fans?

I cannot speak for this specific play, but I have been in arenas where controversial calls are made and they do not show them arbitrary on the Jumbotron. And I am sure someone that is there would know how the crowd reaction would be. I know when they do show a close play in other situations, the crowd goes nuts when they "think" the call has been blown. There was no question in this case. And I do not know why anyone here would take the advice of the announcers considering how accurate they have been in the past about plays and situations.

Peace

[Kevin Finnerty]

When Chick Hearn died, I listened to Laker games with music playing, because by listening to Chick for 38 years, it was impossible to listen to a common announcer call a game. Sometimes, we're better off with a seasoned eye of our own than with the observations of an appointed "expert." Guys like Morgan and McCarver are more for comic relief than for our edification.

[rulesmaven]

Originally Posted by grunewar

I've attended alot of MLB games and it used to be if there was a close play they wouldn't show the replay in the stadium to "incite the fans." Now, it seems like the thing to do...... Rough night.

Maybe they felt the rules didn't apply last night, since the plays weren't close.

At least there's no more discussion about the neighborhood play, so that's something.

You never want to see an ump miss calls in such a high profile game, but the reality is that if it's going to happen, kicking a few in a situation where the calls had virtually no effect on the outcome is not a bad thing. You can bet that all of the crews will be hustling and alert from now on in games where it might matter.

The one that's befuddling to me is the appeal at third. Don't you have to be sure to make that call? I think the Angels sold that one big time.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by cookie

Tim McClelland's response in his own words (select "Umpire Blunders in 4th Game")....

New York Yankees vs. Los Angeles Angels - Recap - October 20, 2009 - ESPN

Did no one (Angles) ask Tim if he would get help from his partners? I would have done so if I felt I was screened from the tag in a situation like this...

Quicker link: 2009 ALCS: Three umpire errors in Game 4 of the ALCS point to the need to expand instant replay -- MLB Playoffs - ESPN