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Old Tue Oct 20, 2009, 09:00pm
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WTF Just Happened at 3rd NY vs LAA

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Old Tue Oct 20, 2009, 09:01pm
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Yes, definitely. That's two boots tonight for McClelland. Swisher clearly tagged up.
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Old Tue Oct 20, 2009, 09:02pm
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In the real world we all do. For some reason McClelland botched it. Big time.

Serious question: why does it seem ALL the horribly botched calls go in the Yankees favor? Fuel for the conspiracy theorists, I'm sure.
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Old Tue Oct 20, 2009, 09:05pm
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In the real world we all do. For some reason McClelland botched it. Big time.

Serious question: why does it seem ALL the horribly botched calls go in the Yankees favor? Fuel for the conspiracy theorists, I'm sure.
Has to make some wonder.

I am nearly at a loss for words on this one. I can't remember a worse call by an umpire at any level. Just awful.
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Old Tue Oct 20, 2009, 09:06pm
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Just asking because as the resident ump my family always comes to me. I tell them I know nothing about BB, but they don't understand that there is a difference.
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Old Tue Oct 20, 2009, 09:07pm
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If MLB had instant replay.....for any/all circumstances......it would be a very long game. But, a couple of calls would probably be changed.

This will be an interesting finish if the Angels mount a comeback as the Yankee base running has been horrible too.
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Old Tue Oct 20, 2009, 09:11pm
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If MLB had instant replay.....for any/all circumstances......it would be a very long game. But, a couple of calls would probably be changed.

This will be an interesting finish if the Angels mount a comeback as the Yankee base running has been horrible too.
I hate the idea of instant replay. I would just like to see calls like this that aren't even close get called right.
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Old Tue Oct 20, 2009, 09:11pm
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If MLB had instant replay.....for any/all circumstances......it would be a very long game. But, a couple of calls would probably be changed.
How about better umpiring?
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Old Tue Oct 20, 2009, 09:13pm
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McClelland apparently is too good to have to hustle and move his feet. I think he blew that one because he was blocked by Posada and couldn't see Cano's foot was off the bag.

Looked like he was still standing in the same spot from the TOP.

Just plain lazy, but at least he is being consistent.
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Old Tue Oct 20, 2009, 09:14pm
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IMHO, he should have asked a partner if they saw anything different. I bet Layne saw R2 way off the bag.
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Old Tue Oct 20, 2009, 09:37pm
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Has to make some wonder.

I am nearly at a loss for words on this one. I can't remember a worse call by an umpire at any level. Just awful.
Impact on the game was worse in the game where Twins fair batted ball ruled foul down LF line preventing a run from scoring. Game went extra innings and they lost.
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Impact on the game was worse in the game where Twins fair batted ball ruled foul down LF line preventing a run from scoring. Game went extra innings and they lost.
Oh yeah, now I remember one!
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I posted this on another thread, I wonder if this is what happened on the play at 3B:

Third, on the play at 3B, IMO two bad things happened.
A. he got straightlined by Posada when he steeped off 3B. There was little chance he could see the 2nd tag from where he was. Should he have moved further? Maybe, but at least he had the guts to call what he saw and assumed something happened that he didn't see.
B. The problem with his call on the whole play may be something all of us can learn from. Since I am not God, I cannot go into Tim's mind to find out what he was thinking. But I would almost be willing to bet that he assumed a certain normal call he has called hundreds of time was going on. Instead, there was a call that happens, what, once in a career?

The teaching point is that you can never assume what will happen at a play, you have to try and keep your mind focused on what is going on in front of your eyes.

I know a lot of us veterans will at times assume something like this: We think this pitch will be off the plate, so we mentally call the pitch a ball. But, then the pitch hits the corner, but we assumed it was a ball, so we ball it anyway.

How many times will anyone see that call in their career on the MLB level? Once, maybe. It was a weird play, and I'll bet you dollars to donuts he either didn't see Posada get tagged, or he made a mental mistake in assuming only R2 would vacate 3B when R3 returned.

Great play by the F2, he was on the ball, and U3 missed it.

BTW, the conversation with Sicosia and Jerry Lane was enlightening too, but I wish Fox had not broadcast it. That kind of inside baseball needs to be left on the field, and Lane was dead on right to let the Anaheim F2 know he needed to give a look.

The later commentary by McCarver about it was nuts, some of the most stupid stuff I ever heard him say. "Yeah, F2 is thinking about what the HP umpire said, so he ends up misplaying a ball for a passed ball. Right.

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Old Wed Oct 21, 2009, 12:15am
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I am nearly at a loss for words on this one. I can't remember a worse call by an umpire at any level. Just awful.
Let the apologists come up with their McClelland excuses ... you just said it all.

Let's just forget excusing it; let's instead try to come up with a worse call that we've ever seen.

Let's make it easier. Let's limit it to the last 50 years.

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Old Wed Oct 21, 2009, 02:53am
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Let the apologists come up with their McClelland excuses ... you just said it all.

Let's just forget excusing it; let's instead try to come up with a worse call that we've ever seen.

Let's make it easier. Let's limit it to the last 50 years.

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All of you guys have also said it all before many times. Worst call ever, inexcusable...it goes on and on every time there is a missed call. Are the calls actually getting worse? It is sort of odd how the "worst call ever" always seems to be the latest missed call.

Yep, he obviously got the play wrong. One can see how he could have missed that R3 was not on the base. We all know that missed calls happen. What makes one missed call excusable and another inexcusable?
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