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This is a reponse I received from a former MLB umpire regarding KF's interpretation of the neighborhood play Carl, You're both right, kind of. The so-called "neighborhood"or "in the vicinity" play evolved during the time I called ball. Originally, it wasn't called either of those names. It wasn't called anything. It was basically the calling of an out when the fielder pulled off the bag early to get the hell out of the way of the runner's spikes. In a short time, the fielders never touched the bag at all. They just came close to the the back side as they were turning the play. Close then became a matter of interpretation for some umpires, 2 inches, 4 inches 10 inches, a foot and a half. This is when the nick names came about as in "he was in the neighborhood." I don't think I saw a fielder actually touch second on a double play once in my last five years. I have noticed, however, that since the merger, the practice of giving that play to the fielder has diminshed. It will take some time and some more retirements, but I think it will be gone completely in a few years. Edited to add: From what I've seen. I don't think it will take a few years. Just my opinion. Last edited by MrUmpire; Mon Oct 19, 2009 at 02:35pm. |
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And naturally, I'm old school as well. I guess it will take my retirement (again, as I have more lives than Bret Favre apparently
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For me, it's not a question of old- or new-school. In my games, it's a question of safety.
All the games I work, with the exception of one league, use NFHS sliding rules. Given those rules, there is no safety-based justification for giving the neighborhood play. So I don't give it. In the one men's league that uses pretty straight OBR, I give the neighborhood play, provided that the fielder touches the bag at some time close to when he has the ball. For me, the neighborhood play is not intrinsically good for baseball. That is not to say it's intrinsically bad, just that it needs some other rationale to be called.
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... But I'm still making the fielder touch it at some point. |
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[QUOTE=SanDiegoSteve;631702]And naturally, I'm old school as well. I guess it will take my retirement (again, as I have more lives than Bret Favre apparently
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