Batter Interference

[Kleff]

Why would the plate guy be wondering what I was doing???? I was in the c slot. Plate guy started walking towards me in the c slot, that is when I called time and asked him to talk. the conversation took place closer to the c slot than home plate. By him coming out that far I figured he was looking for imput. The PB went toward the 3rd base side batter was deffinetly in the way of throw. The catcher was throwing towards home plate.

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by Kleff

Why would the plate guy be wondering what I was doing???? I was in the c slot. Plate guy started walking towards me in the c slot, that is when I called time and asked him to talk. the conversation took place closer to the c slot than home plate. By him coming out that far I figured he was looking for imput. The PB went toward the 3rd base side batter was deffinetly in the way of throw. The catcher was throwing towards home plate.

If he wants help he'll ask.

If the coach asks you, you tell the coach to talk to the umpire that made the call.

[Kleff]

Hey guys I think you totally misunderstood what was being asked! I was looking for rule clarification not umpire mechanics! I am well aware of when to ask for help and when to give help. Instead of bashing an umpire give your understanding of the rule. If your clueless on the rule just admit it. Anyway I got call back from an umpire of 40 plus years who actually knows the rulebook, not a few clowns on a forum who think they know the rule book. He says without seeing the play it sounds like interference under rule 7.09 c. Now I know better to just wait for a callback from a umpire with rulebook knowledge rather than posting to this forum!

[BigUmp56]

Originally Posted by Kleff

Hey guys I think you totally misunderstood what was being asked! I was looking for rule clarification not umpire mechanics! I am well aware of when to ask for help and when to give help. Instead of bashing an umpire give your understanding of the rule. If your clueless on the rule just admit it. Anyway I got call back from an umpire of 40 plus years who actually knows the rulebook, not a few clowns on a forum who think they know the rule book. He says without seeing the play it sounds like interference under rule 7.09 c. Now I know better to just wait for a callback from a umpire with rulebook knowledge rather than posting to this forum!

Obviously you don't know as much about proper decorum on the field as you think you do. You said you asked for a meeting with your partner to tell him what you thought he should have called. There are a few shared responsibilities in two man mechanics, but this isn't one of them. No one is bashing you here. They're trying to teach you something.


Tim.

[Adam]

So it's not just on the basketball forum that new guys will post here and expect to be able to dictate the direction of the thread? That's good to know.
The pattern holds form here, too.
1. New guy posts a question.
2. Question gets answered and more advice is provided than was asked for.
3. New guy defends himself against the added advice.
4. New guy comes back and denegrates officials (umpires) who offered said advice.
5. New guy stomps off with his feelings hurt.

[RPatrino]

Another 6 post expert, sheezzzeee.....

[Kleff]

My feelings did not get hurt, just wanting a ruling on the play itself. No one seemed to have an answer. In my original post I did not give every little detail of how the meeting started. I sort of thought that was besides the point. I was just wanting to have someone point me in the right direction in the rule book if they could which obviously they could'nt. I am the one who called time, while the plate ump was walking out to the c slot. He obviously wanted to talk about the play. I did speak first and said I think we have interference, only loud enough for him to hear I told him what I thought, he went with his original call. Like I said just looking for rule clarification, it just did'nt seem like the right call is all I was saying.

[RPatrino]

Kleff, you know the rule, and you have read it. You are asking us if it 'sounds' like interference based on what you have written. We have responded with a resounding, maybe. But, we need more info. You said you thought it was intereference. Please explain why in more detail.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Kleff

My feelings did not get hurt, just wanting a ruling on the play itself. No one seemed to have an answer.

Becasue you didn't give enough information to help decide the play. "Cathers (sic) throw to the plate hits batter" might be interference and it might not be.

Interference with a thrown ball must be intentional, and intentional can include "willful indifference." If that's what happened, it was interference. If not, it likely wasn't.

And, your OP also included, "I ask for a meeting," so that's what many of us were responding to.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Kleff

Hey guys I think you totally misunderstood what was being asked! I was looking for rule clarification not umpire mechanics! I am well aware of when to ask for help and when to give help. Instead of bashing an umpire give your understanding of the rule. If your clueless on the rule just admit it. Anyway I got call back from an umpire of 40 plus years who actually knows the rulebook, not a few clowns on a forum who think they know the rule book. He says without seeing the play it sounds like interference under rule 7.09 c. Now I know better to just wait for a callback from a umpire with rulebook knowledge rather than posting to this forum!

Originally Posted by Kleff

My feelings did not get hurt, just wanting a ruling on the play itself. No one seemed to have an answer. In my original post I did not give every little detail of how the meeting started. I sort of thought that was besides the point. I was just wanting to have someone point me in the right direction in the rule book if they could which obviously they could'nt. I am the one who called time, while the plate ump was walking out to the c slot. He obviously wanted to talk about the play. I did speak first and said I think we have interference, only loud enough for him to hear I told him what I thought, he went with his original call. Like I said just looking for rule clarification, it just did'nt seem like the right call is all I was saying.

Actually, your question was answered to the extent possible given the description given. What I highlighted in red above is indicative of thin skin; not conclusive, mind you, just indicative. You assumed (or just accused without assumption, which makes it worse, IMO) that they didn't know the rule because they couldn't tell from your inadequate description.

[Kleff]

Hey guys sorry if I offended any of you with my comments earlier. Just got a little frustated, could'nt understand how the thread took a total different direction. I will give step by step what happened and what I was thinking at the time
1 out runners on 1st and 3rd, passed ball, ball goes of catcher a to the left, runner from 3rd tries to score, batter steps out of box anout 3 feet, he does not realize ball is behind him, catcher throwns to pitcher covering, from where I was (c-slot) it looks to be pretty much on target. ball hits batter.Plate ump (PU) calls runner safe, I thought it was interference but did not say anything. a coach yells is'nt that interference, PU has look on his face like something weird just happened starts walking out to me,I call time (IMO calling the meeting), I meet him just in front of mound on 3rd base side, He did not ask for help, but by walking out there right after that play I sorta figured that is why he was coming out,I spoke first and said "it looks like interference to me", I say runner on 3rd should be out runner on 1st should go back. He say's"I think he would have been safe so thats how I'm going to call it,I say "it's your call ,but I don't believe thats right"

I will be more open to negative feedback from now on, If my mechanics were out of line in this situation I'll accept that. Once again sorry to offend, I will try to give more info from now on

Mike