Officiating and the Crowd

[gordon30307]

[QUOTE=Kevin Finnerty;625998]Geez, what did Scioscia say?


Scioscia was heartbroken that a close pitch cost him a ballgame,


Yikes, One call cost him the game. New one on me. I've kicked my share and saw them kicked I've never seen a call cost a team a game. Too much happens before that that would have made the seemingly "bad call" a moot point.

[Kevin Finnerty]

Ahem ...

I had to clear my throat.

Yours is a specious argument that is common, if not forthcoming in every debate of this basic nature.

If the pitch was called a strike, the Angels win. If the pitch is called a ball, the game is tied and the bases remain loaded and the Angels may not go on to win. But, I repeat, if the pitch was called a strike, the Angels win.

The Angels did not win. If the pitch was called a strike, the Angels win.

One call goes one way and the Angels win. The same call goes the other way and they are still alive, but they lose. So it's not a direct loss, but very close.

[mattmets]

The Angels don't give up any one of the 7 other runs, the Red Sox don't tie the game. Juan Rivera makes an effort to catch the ball, they may not lose. In a 9-8 game, there's plenty of blame to go around, none of it to Rick Reed.

[MrUmpire]

Originally Posted by Kevin Finnerty

Ahem ...

I had to clear my throat.

Yours is a specious argument that is common, if not forthcoming in every debate of this basic nature.

If the pitch was called a strike, the Angels win. If the pitch is called a ball, the game is tied and the bases remain loaded and the Angels may not go on to win. But, I repeat, if the pitch was called a strike, the Angels win.

The Angels did not win. If the pitch was called a strike, the Angels win.

One call goes one way and the Angels win. The same call goes the other way and they are still alive, but they lose. So it's not a direct loss, but very close.

Who put the Angels in the position where one pitch mattered? How many hits, stikeouts, strikes, bases on balls, catches, dropped balls, instances of bad baserunning, and cases of stupid game strategy did the umpire have?

One pitch called either way does not by itself win or lose a game. One pitch cannot be isolated from the other 249, except, of course, by disgruntled managers, spoiled players and fanboys.

[NFump]

Originally Posted by mrumpire

who put the angels in the position where one pitch mattered? How many hits, stikeouts, strikes, bases on balls, catches, dropped balls, instances of bad baserunning, and cases of stupid game strategy did the umpire have?

One pitche called either way does not by itsefl win or lose a game. One pitch cannot be isolated from the other 249, except, of course, by disgruntled managers, spoiled players and fanboys.

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[Kevin Finnerty]

Originally Posted by MrUmpire

Who put the Angels in the position where one pitch mattered? How many hits, stikeouts, strikes, bases on balls, catches, dropped balls, instances of bad baserunning, and cases of stupid game strategy did the umpire have?

One pitch called either way does not by itself win or lose a game. One pitch cannot be isolated from the other 249, except, of course, by disgruntled managers, spoiled players and fanboys.

You have a prejudice and a defamatory name or reference ready at all times, don't you?

I have a vastly more thorough knowledge of this game and how it works than you allow for.

[MrUmpire]

Originally Posted by Kevin Finnerty

You have a prejudice and a defamatory name or reference ready at all times, don't you?

I have a vastly more thorough knowledge of this game and how it works than you allow for.

Nothing I posted is intended to be in reference to your vast and thorough knowledge of this game.

Many of those with superior knowledge of the game are fans.

[Kevin Finnerty]

And you have a defamatory name for them ready at all times.

I haven't really felt like a fan for a long time, but I have had plenty work that involved watching games, and I think there's room for the viewpoint of anyone who loves the game and has something worthwhile to contribute. They shouldn't be dismissed with such swiftness.

[LDUB]

Originally Posted by Kevin Finnerty

And you have a defamatory name for them ready at all times.

I haven't really felt like a fan for a long time, but I have had plenty work that involved watching games, and I think there's room for the viewpoint of anyone who loves the game and has something worthwhile to contribute. They shouldn't be dismissed with such swiftness.

Fan is different from fanboy. Not all fans are fanboys. Fanboys blame the officiating every chance they get. Fanboys say "that wasn't even close" when they see the freeze frame of the third replay angle right after the first two replay angles showed that it was too close to tell.

Fanboys and fans in general do have something worthwhile to contribute but that something is not comments about officiating.