When a crew can't reach a call...

[Kevin Finnerty]

The Evans manual does clearly state that with a runner at second base only, the BU has all plays at all bases except home, and the PU has touch of third, obstruction at third and coach assist call responsibilities, as well as any resultant plays at the plate due to an overthrow at third. It's the same way we were taught.

Why would we complicate things?

[TussAgee11]

While the Evans manual is the most comprehensive 2 man mechanic book out there right now, the system has been based off pro ball.

I'm not saying I disagree with what it says on this play, but at other levels in different areas, I'm not going to make a blanket statement that "just because the Evans manual says so means it must be done this way all the time".

I'm sure I could find some situation at a crappy 13 year old game that an Evans mechanic may not be the best idea. Similarly, some mechanic used by an association at a 13 year old game wouldn't have a place in a pro game.

So, when in rome...

[johnnyg08]

If you have a better idea than Jim Evans on how to cover the play, then use that. I will use Evans' method because I don't have a better idea.

[SanDiegoSteve]

This has been the mechanic for a lot longer than Evans has had a school. It has been taught for at least as long as I've been umpiring, which is 24 years.

[johnnyg08]

Yeah, I guess I don't care whose idea it is...but if Evans adopted it from whomever and teaches it in his academy...it's good enough for me.

[TussAgee11]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

This has been the mechanic for a lot longer than Evans has had a school. It has been taught for at least as long as I've been umpiring, which is 24 years.

As early as 5 years ago, this (PU comes up) was being taught to new umpires here. First year it was changed was this year in our association.

I'll just continue to do what I'm taught, whatever that turns out to be.

[Kevin Finnerty]

Originally Posted by Kevin Finnerty

The Evans manual does clearly state that with a runner at second base only, the BU has all plays at all bases except home, and the PU has touch of third, obstruction at third and coach assist call responsibilities, as well as any resultant plays at the plate due to an overthrow at third. It's the same way we were taught.

Why would we complicate things?

This was my exact post with the key words highlighted.

Originally Posted by johnnyg08

Yeah, I guess I don't care whose idea it is...but if Evans adopted it from whomever and teaches it in his academy...it's good enough for me.

Us, too.

Originally Posted by TussAgee11

As early as 5 years ago, this (PU comes up) was being taught to new umpires here. First year it was changed was this year in our association.

I'll just continue to do what I'm taught, whatever that turns out to be.

So, what if the batter/runner is safe at first, and there's a throw to third that gets away, who covers what, if the PU is at third and the BU is in the working area? Which runner is disregarded?

[TussAgee11]

Originally Posted by Kevin Finnerty

So, what if the batter/runner is safe at first, and there's a throw to third that gets away, who covers what, if the PU is at third and the BU is in the working area? Which runner is disregarded?

You must not have read carefully...

I said that my comments were not directed at this mechanic, because I agree with BU taking both.

However, if I wanted to play devil's advocate with you (cause its so much fun), I would answer the following:

"What happens with R1, basehit, RF overthrows the play at 3rd? The same exact thing.

In the R2 sitch discussed previously, no runner is going to be disregarded as you suggested. 2 umpires, 2 runners. PU comes to the cutout for play at 3rd, then retreats to home in fair territory after the overthrow. BU takes any play on B/R."

Again, never ever in this thread did I say I agreed with PU coming up on this play. All I said was that was what was taught here until this past year, and that just because its in the Evans manual does not make it be all end all as you suggested. In fact, I believe there are a few cases where the Evans book deviates from what is taught at PBUC, but I could be wrong. Hope to find out soon enough.