4 Man Mechanics - Pressure @2nd base

[cc6]

Originally Posted by briancurtin

Absolutely.

After an overthrow/base hit, or right after the second baseman throws?

[MrUmpire]

Originally Posted by cc6

After an overthrow/base hit, or right after the second baseman throws?

You do realize we are talking 4 man mechanics, right?

[cc6]

Originally Posted by MrUmpire

You do realize we are talking 4 man mechanics, right?

Yes. I still don't know how you can go from behind the baseline to behind the mound after he "goes for the ball". Is the working area different in 4 man?

[MrUmpire]

Originally Posted by cc6

Yes. I still don't know how you can go from behind the baseline to behind the mound after he "goes for the ball". Is the working area different in 4 man?

Let's think about this for a second. What are U2's responsibilites with bases loaded and a batted ball to F4?

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by cc6

Yes. I still don't know how you can go from behind the baseline to behind the mound after he "goes for the ball". Is the working area different in 4 man?

Why does U2 need to go behind the mound in this situation? His play is at 2nd base.

[TussAgee11]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

Why does U2 need to go behind the mound in this situation? His play is at 2nd base.

I agree that he doesn't need to go behind the mound, but he needs to get on the 1st base side of the cut out no doubt. He has R1 all the way into second, possible OBS/INT, a tag, a force, basepath violation, etc.

I wouldn't want to be hanging out in the baseline for all that...

[UmpTTS43]

If we are all still refering to the original OP, the defense is playing in, we are behind them, close to or on the baseline, preferably in the "deep B" position. Since the D is in, any ball to the infielders that is fielded cleanly is more than likely going to go home, then possibly to 1st for the DP. If the ball is muffed, the play will likely go to first. If the ball stays in the infield, there is no reason for U2 to "bust in to the working area." There will be no rotations so the only responsibility U2 has is at 2nd base. Since all of the action is originating in front of him, it is acceptable, and easier, to position himself outside the basepath for any possible play and looking for R1 to touch 2nd. That way, you are not crossing paths with any infielder going back. If, for any reason, the ball happens to end up in the outfield on an overthrow, you can then come into the cutout area for any subsequent play. I could see myself going into the cutout area on the secondary throw to 1st on the DP, after R1 has rounded, all the while keeping my eye on the ball.

[Rich]

It is possible to take any play at second from behind. Most ML umpires do just this now on clean hits where the BR tries to stretch it into a double.

[MrUmpire]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

Why does U2 need to go behind the mound in this situation? His play is at 2nd base.

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Are you paying attention cc6?

[cc6]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

Why does U2 need to go behind the mound in this situation? His play is at 2nd base.

Agreed. It was Briancurtin who originally said that after the second baseman goes for the ball he will go from super deep B into the working area. I'm not sure an umpire can move that fast. This is his post:

I had this situation twice last night in a 4-man. I was in the base path like what you described...super deep B. If F4 goes up the middle, I'm behind him and can take a quick step to my left to clear him, then get into the working area once he goes for the ball.