Two questions from the Cubs/Cards game

[SanDiegoSteve]

Maybe someone could post the video clip. I'm sure some ambitious person can manage that.

[Brett]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

Maybe someone could post the video clip. I'm sure some ambitious person can manage that.

Baseball Video Highlights & Clips | STL@CHC: Wainwright slides hard to break up a DP - Video | stlcardinals.com: Multimedia

[DG]

R1 was the pitcher, can't see a pitcher throwing up his pitching hand intentionally.

[Brett]

Originally Posted by DG

R1 was the pitcher, can't see a pitcher throwing up his pitching hand intentionally.

He sure brought his non-pitching hand down quickly. Oh wait - that hand wouldn't interfere with the throw. I can actually understand the no call (partially for the reason(s) SDS states), but I still respectfully disagree with it.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Looked like a good slide to me. He was just executing a classic feet-first slide, in which both arms go up in the air to avoid injury (that's how I was taught the art of sliding by Jim Deitz of SDSU), so I'm with Morgan on this one. You can't call it intentional. Play the bounce.

[JR12]

Originally Posted by Brett

Baseball Video Highlights & Clips | STL@CHC: Wainwright slides hard to break up a DP - Video | stlcardinals.com: Multimedia

That had to hurt! Lucky he didn't sprain or break a finger.

[UmpJM]

Sure looked like intentional interference with a thrown ball to me.

Probably pretty hard to see in "real time".

JM

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by UmpJM (nee CoachJM)

Sure looked like intentional interference with a thrown ball to me.

Probably pretty hard to see in "real time".

JM

I have to disagree.

We must distinguish 2 questions here:

1. Did the runner do something that put himself between the thrown ball and the receiving fielder (e.g. run toward F4, slide with his hands up, etc.), with the result that the thrown ball hit him? That's not INT.

2. Did the runner intentionally move in order to contact a thrown ball? That would be INT.

I see this case as no different from the one where the runner goes into 2B standing and gets plunked. Sure, he "intentionally" put himself in the way of the throw, and got hit. But that's not INT, and neither was this.

[ASA/NYSSOBLUE]

Only watched B8/T9 last night, but that was long enough to see Classic Joe Morgan:

1. his rant, after the StL 2b had reached in and the ball popped out, about wanting to change the possession rule..and this from a former 2B!

2. And getting just about everything wrong about moving the P in and out of position...

someone here should keep serious track.....

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by FTVMartin

He only gets warm-ups once per inning. So if he comes back to pitch in the same inning he gets no throws.

IN the first sit. You have a clear cut interference when he raised his hand and interfered with the throw. Even if he goes straight into the bag, you have a legal slide but still have int by him raising his hands.

Originally Posted by ASA/NYSSOBLUE

Only watched B8/T9 last night, but that was long enough to see Classic Joe Morgan:

1. his rant, after the StL 2b had reached in and the ball popped out, about wanting to change the possession rule..and this from a former 2B!

2. And getting just about everything wrong about moving the P in and out of position...

someone here should keep serious track.....

I agree with point #1. But not point #2. But agreeing with Joe Morgan on anything???

[RogersUmp]

I think it was INT. It appeared he stretched/flexed his elbow to extend his hand when his whole upper body was starting to go down. It looked intentional to me.

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by UmpJM (nee CoachJM)

Sure looked like intentional interference with a thrown ball to me.

Probably pretty hard to see in "real time".

JM

If he went in standing up (legal) and the ball hit him that isn't considered interference. Stupid maybe, but not interference.

You can keep running to the base after you're out and that isn't considered interference.

It isn't considered interference if he slides into the fielder.

I'm with SDS - that's how slides are taught - on the butt, semi-sitting, hands up.

If you slide legally (and he did) why would you consider that interference.

The fielder has to expect the runner to be there.

And,as a coach I have to consider it from both the offensive and defensive perspectives.

[GA Umpire]

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

If he went in standing up (legal) and the ball hit him that isn't considered interference. Stupid maybe, but not interference.

You can keep running to the base after you're out and that isn't considered interference.

It isn't considered interference if he slides into the fielder.

I'm with SDS - that's how slides are taught - on the butt, semi-sitting, hands up.

If you slide legally (and he did) why would you consider that interference.

The fielder has to expect the runner to be there.

And,as a coach I have to consider it from both the offensive and defensive perspectives.

I agree. No INT. Everything was legal and he did not put himself in the way of the throw intentionally. F6 took it for granted b/c regular players usually get down earlier and are much shorter. He got taught a lesson to clear the base more or mix it up and cause the runners to have to think more about what they do. Just a bad play on F6.

[Ump153]

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

And,as a coach I have to consider which call gives me the advantage.

Fixed that for you.