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Old Tue Jun 30, 2009, 06:47am
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Has he missed calls? Been out of position? What's the problem?
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Old Tue Jun 30, 2009, 10:15am
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Has he missed calls? Been out of position? What's the problem?

Yup. Padres vs. Rockies, 2007 one game playoff. Game ending play at the plate.

Plus, announcers have come to hate him because his calls are now so dreadfully slow. They don't know if it's a ball or a strike.

I know some MLB umpire lovers think that these guys have earned the right to do whatever they want to do on the field. Not me. I think they should be the standard bearer of what umpires should be. The best of the best.
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Old Tue Jun 30, 2009, 10:37am
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Would it have made a difference if he sold the heck out of it and still "got it wrong" in the eyes of the other side?
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Old Tue Jun 30, 2009, 10:50am
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Would it have made a difference if he sold the heck out of it and still "got it wrong" in the eyes of the other side?

Speaking as a Padres fan: Absolutely.

It's one thing to miss a close call (who hasn't done that). But quite another to just stand there like you're in a fog. It just looks bad.
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Old Tue Jun 30, 2009, 10:54am
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Oh right. MLB should hire and fire umpires based on fans' and announcers' opinions.
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Old Tue Jun 30, 2009, 11:10am
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Oh right. MLB should hire and fire umpires based on fans' and announcers' opinions.
Well, maybe.

MLB is in the entertainment business, like it or not. It's a show. If part of that show isn't working, you may want to rethink it.

In a pure sense MLB would be evaluating umpires, and have the best product on the field every year. Obviously that doesn't happen. These guys have become like line workers at a GM plant. Complacent.

Look, I get why these guys don't want to leave these gigs. The money is FINALLY worth it, and they've got nothing else to fall back on. They're not like NFL officials, who actually have other jobs. This is all they know. They've given up a good hunk of their lives to get there, and don't want that paycheck to end. I get it. There just should be a better way, as these guys hang around far too long.
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Old Tue Jun 30, 2009, 11:15am
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Yeah, it's the show. MLB isn't hiring flashy, attractive umpires. They're hiring guys who get it right virtually every time.

You have found a case where (you claim) McClelland missed a call 2 years ago. I submit that this rate of errors is within league tolerances.

McClelland is still top-rated by players and managers, for whatever that's worth.
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Old Fri Jul 03, 2009, 12:01am
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Well, maybe.

MLB is in the entertainment business, like it or not. It's a show. If part of that show isn't working, you may want to rethink it.

In a pure sense MLB would be evaluating umpires, and have the best product on the field every year. Obviously that doesn't happen. These guys have become like line workers at a GM plant. Complacent.

Look, I get why these guys don't want to leave these gigs. The money is FINALLY worth it, and they've got nothing else to fall back on. They're not like NFL officials, who actually have other jobs. This is all they know. They've given up a good hunk of their lives to get there, and don't want that paycheck to end. I get it. There just should be a better way, as these guys hang around far too long.

Kylejt.. how many calls do you miss a yrs?.... Im sure more than 2.. The guy misses a call and all of a sudden he should be fired?... Ok next time you miss a call, can we fire you?...
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Old Tue Jun 30, 2009, 11:18am
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You're in a tough fight defending this guy. He has become an embarrassment to the profession. Just look at him whenever he is on the field. His posturing is as lazy and unprofessional as you will ever see. And that fog that Kyle referred to: he's in it virtually all the time.

He only kicked two calls in last night's game, but it's not completely about that. It's about being and appearing diligent and professional, if not merely awake. If he got most of his calls right like you claim, it would be a somewhat different story, but he doesn't do that either.

When he got stuck in the wrong spot on that season-ending call that he blew against the Padres, he told Tim Tschida afterward, "I didn't really see it, but he must have been safe."

It's disappointing that a vocation that I care so deeply about is being represented at the highest level of competition by someone so lazy and disinterested. Give it up and let a true pro take over. It's the big leagues.

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Old Tue Jun 30, 2009, 11:22am
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You're in a tough fight defending this guy.
I'm not defending him. I don't know enough to do that. I'm rejecting the argument that it's time for him to go because the fans and the media don't like his mechanics.
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Old Tue Jun 30, 2009, 11:25am
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If his ratings/game performance is indeed that bad, wouldn't they phase him out? He misses them just like every-other-umpire...to blame the Padres loss on one play alone is ridiculous. If a person really wanted to argue a point, one could argue that they shouldn't have put themselves in a position for a one game playoff, then to put themselves in a position where seemingly "one call" ended their season.

Pick a game that the Padres lost (any one of the probably more than 50 that they lost that year). Man, if Peavy wouldn't have hung that slider...

Also, I don't personally know any major league umpire...so I don't have ties to any of them so I'm not sniffing anybody's anything.
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Old Tue Jun 30, 2009, 12:19pm
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Plus, announcers have come to hate him because his calls are now so dreadfully slow. They don't know if it's a ball or a strike.
Yeah, and I always defended Greg Bonin for his "timing," but McClelland makes Bonin look like Frank Pulli in comparison. At least when Bonin called them, there was enthusiasm.
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Old Tue Jun 30, 2009, 11:24pm
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Saw T Mac work tonight. I thought he did great job. His timing isn't as slow as described in any post.

He just isn't as herky jerky as most umpires.
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Old Tue Jun 30, 2009, 11:46pm
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I'm still trying to figure out just how Tim is "an embarrassment to his profession." Just who is embarrassed? I'm certainly not, and my peers who are familiar with Tim aren't, and I doubt Tim's MLB peers are embarrassed.
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Old Wed Jul 01, 2009, 12:52am
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Oh, okay ... I guess he's a source of pride, then.

And, watching him somnambulate through his U1 performance last night is what got me going. His laziness and disinterest are more glaring out there than when he works the plate.

Geez, I remember when I liked him ... and defended him. It's sad when any baseball performer hangs on too long.
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