Horrible Mechanics

[GA Umpire]

Originally Posted by JR12

Why would the PU take a tag up into 3rd? It's the BU call!

So, you are going to leave BU to cover 3 bases on a play which you could help with 1 of them?

And, as Steve said, that is only with an R2 only or there is an R3 at any time. If R1 only or R1 and R2, then PU gets 3B for the play if there is going to be multiple runners such as an R1 and BR now or R2, R1, and BR.

Get out from behind HP and cover a base if possible. Don't leave BU to cover it all at all times. And, this is for hits to the outfield.

[JR12]

Originally Posted by GA Umpire

So, you are going to leave BU to cover 3 bases on a play which you could help with 1 of them?

And, as Steve said, that is only with an R2 only or there is an R3 at any time. If R1 only or R1 and R2, then PU gets 3B for the play if there is going to be multiple runners such as an R1 and BR now or R2, R1, and BR.

Get out from behind HP and cover a base if possible. Don't leave BU to cover it all at all times. And, this is for hits to the outfield.

I get out from behind HP, but not in that situation. It's not the way 2 man crew works here. In the OP the Bu has the catch, tag and play at third. I would guess that R1 would have went halfway.

[GA Umpire]

Originally Posted by JR12

I get out from behind HP, but not in that situation. It's not the way 2 man crew works here. In the OP the Bu has the catch, tag and play at third. I would guess that R1 would have went halfway.

If it doesn't work that way, then I am glad I am not BU on that field. I am at 3B on that play every time unless ball toward RF foul line.

[UmpJM]

JR12,

What mechanics manual do you use "here"?

Because what Tim has decribed is exactly the way the PBUC Red Book and the CCA Manual say it should be handled in two man.

(Except I call it the "library" rather than the "kitchen" - because the library is where you go to "read", and the kitchen is where you go to get a beer. And I usually wait until after the game for that.)

JM

[ManInBlue]

"I've got 3rd if he tags!!!!" the PU yells to his partner as he heads down the 3BL.

Proper 2 man mechanic and taught EVERYwhere I've ever been. PU has lead runner, BU has trailing runner.

In the OP - Wait for the play, ask your partner if he had a catch and make the call based on what he tells you. It's his call, force him to make it. That may not be the correct way to handle it, but I've been hung out by a partner with piss poor mechanics and I've have since decide to force his hand when it happens (at least if I'm ever on the field with certain partners).

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by JR12

I get out from behind HP, but not in that situation. It's not the way 2 man crew works here. In the OP the Bu has the catch, tag and play at third. I would guess that R1 would have went halfway.

Question: You are the BU taking that runner to 3rd, and F5 snaps a throw to F4 as R1 is sliding in a cloud of dust at 2nd base after tagging up at 1st. Whatcha gonna do now?

The base umpire has the catch and tag of R2, a glance at R1 if he is tagging, and then he has R1 at 2nd or 1st, and R2 if he returns to 2nd. He does NOT have R2 at 3rd base. That has always been the PU call for at least as long as I've been an umpire in every mechanics manual on planet Earth.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by JR12

Why would the PU take a tag up into 3rd? It's the BU call!

Originally Posted by Matt

Correct.

Neither of you is correct, but you know that by now.

With R1+R2, the plate umpire has the play at third. The BU may have the catch, will have the tag at second, but the play at third belongs to the plate umpire if he doesn't call out "I'm on the line."

We had a play this season where I had a very close play at third (safe) and F5 gunned it to second and my partner was standing right there and called R1 out. If the BU had to get that himself, it would be very difficult. It could be done, but would look terrible.

[Matt]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

Neither of you is correct, but you know that by now.

I have learned not to respond with a viral headache. I still don't know what the hell I was thinking.

[JR12]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

Question: You are the BU taking that runner to 3rd, and F5 snaps a throw to F4 as R1 is sliding in a cloud of dust at 2nd base after tagging up at 1st. Whatcha gonna do now?

The base umpire has the catch and tag of R2, a glance at R1 if he is tagging, and then he has R1 at 2nd or 1st, and R2 if he returns to 2nd. He does NOT have R2 at 3rd base. That has always been the PU call for at least as long as I've been an umpire in every mechanics manual on planet Earth.

Sorry we go against the book. How often does r1 tag? How bout the overthrow at3b?

[ManInBlue]

Originally Posted by JR12

Sorry we go against the book. How often does r1 tag? How bout the overthrow at3b?

You get up on your horse and giddy-up back to the cut out at home (while watching the ball to make sure it doesn't go into DBT).

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by JR12

Sorry we go against the book.

Why reinvent the wheel. The mechanic is like it is for a reason.

Originally Posted by JR12

How often does r1 tag?

Actually quite often on deep drives that are read properly. Many times both runners move up as the throw is to 3rd base. Plus, R1 is BU responsibility at 1st base as well, like if R1 misreads and gets hung up between bases.

Originally Posted by JR12

How bout the overthrow at3b?

Then you follow the CCA, Red Book, etc. mechanics. The PU stays in fair territory and hustles back to the plate area and takes the play at home from there. He is, after all, the Plate Umpire.

[briancurtin]

Even if you say R1 tags 1% of the time, in that 1% of the time, BU is probably 85 feet away and PU is standing there watching skirts blow in the breeze.

On an overthrow, it's called hustle.

Edit: looks like I got beat to the punch

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by JR12

Sorry we go against the book. How often does r1 tag? How bout the overthrow at3b?

I was working my first intrasquad of the spring this year with a friend. I was the BU. Very high level varsity team (Nationally ranked) that was scrimmaging. For some reason we pregamed it that the BU would take the play into 3B with R1 and R2 on a tag-up play. (We changed after this play) Sure enough, there was a catch in right center and R2 tagged to go to third. I safed him at third on a banger, and R1 tagged and went into second. I had to make that call (Safe also) on the run going back toward second. I got it right, but it looked horrible mechanics-wise. We talked between innings and agreed that the PU needs to take that. That's how I've done it all season since that happened.

[JR12]

I'll definatly bring it up at the next meeting.

[ozzy6900]

Originally Posted by JR12

I'll definatly bring it up at the next meeting.

Before you do that, purchase a PBUC or CCA manual (preferably the CCA). Then study it so you can intelligently explain to your organization that what they are doing is incorrect!

Also be sure to add the remark from ManInBlue:

"I've got 3rd if he tags!!!!" the PU yells to his partner as he heads down the 3BL.

This lets the BU know what is going on. If I do not hear this from my partner (I'm the BU), then I know I have all 3 bases and I better be moving into position, not counting on the PU to be there.