This Bothers Me, and we Won! (Hands part of bat again.)

[More Cowbell]

As a non-ump, I wonder how this "myth" keeps going...it's like the one "turn to the left" after running past first and the coach YELLS tag him tag him!! and the blue rings him up.

I just met the coach today, my boy was helping out, but it turns out we went to high school together. Maybe I should tell him, "Hey there's this really helpful forum....."

Should I have discreetly approached the blue and reminded him? I know that the ump who got it right was upset when the "director" overturned the decision. I know both guys are studying up before the next game..

[dash_riprock]

The tournament director "overturned" the umpire? Not in my game. And if he insists, I'm outta there on the spot.

[mbyron]

You stated that this game was played under HS rules. Here's a case play to take with you next time.

Originally Posted by 2009 NFHS Case Book

7.3.4 SITUATION B: B1 is at bat with a three-ball, two-strike count. He swings
at the next pitch and the ball hits his right fist and, without contacting the bat,
goes into foul territory. F2 retrieves the ball and throws to F3 who is covering first
base and tags B1 with the ball. RULING: As soon as the ball hit the batter it
became dead. B1 is declared out [for strike 3]. To have the play ruled a foul ball, the ball would
have to have hit the bat of B1 before it touched his hand.

[More Cowbell]

The Case Play says it all.....thanks. I wonder if the "director" would understand this; it's pretty black and white. I can't believe the ump actually went looking for the guy. The ump who made the right call, I could tell, knew he was right, but didn't want to make a stand, I suppose.

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by dash_riprock

The tournament director "overturned" the umpire? Not in my game. And if he insists, I'm outta there on the spot.

Sounds like a protest process. If the TD is the protest committee you go with wnat he rules - stupid as it might be.

[More Cowbell]

Again, you guys are nails on this stuff...almost makes me want to become an ump. Just to clarify, the TD didn't really say a complete sentence, he sort of gave a quick gesture/statement from above the stands, "Ball hit the hand (slight pause) (that's) part of the bat...foul ball."

I get a lot of help from the football guys on the other side of the forum. Are any of you crazy enough to do both? I respect the heck out of you guys, even when you ring up my boy! (Come on...that was way outside blue! :-) I try to keep that to myself!

[johnnyg08]

i do both...crazy award accepted.

[Brett]

Originally Posted by johnnyg08

i do both...crazy award accepted.

Me too. I also throw in wrestling for good measure.

[tarheelcoach]

This happened in the Mets/Orioles game last night. The ball was originally ruled a foul ball, and as the training staff attended to Melvin Mora's hand (ball hit it) the umpires conferred and changed it to a strike three. Mora argued and could be seen pointing to the bat, like it hit both the bat and his hand. But I could not imagine a scenario where it would hit the bat FIRST then his hand. It would have had to be the other way around, and so the changed call was correct. I also can't imagine a simultaneous hit of hand/bat, since the hand is on the bat, not even with it.

Am I right? If the ball hits the hand AND the bat, it has to hit the hand first, right?

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by More Cowbell

I get a lot of help from the football guys on the other side of the forum. Are any of you crazy enough to do both?

I do 4 sports. What does that make me?

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by mbyron

I do 4 sports. What does that make me?

One of two things:

A) A glutton for punishment

B) A full-blown masochist

[Ump153]

Originally Posted by mbyron

I do 4 sports. What does that make me?

Jack of all trades, master of none?

[Nigel Tufnel]

Originally Posted by mbyron

I do 4 sports. What does that make me?

Single