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[Bishopcolle]

Ump Rube says: "and then when he leaves that area to argue some more... bye-bye."

I agree with you, but he didn't leave the area, he settled down and the game finished. How do you dump him when he goes back to his spot after the lecture and warning? What disservice did he do to the next guy? He did exactly as you said, warn and then dump if he continues, which he did not do, according to the OP.

[Ump Rube]

Originally Posted by Bishopcolle

Ump Rube says: "and then when he leaves that area to argue some more... bye-bye."

I agree with you, but he didn't leave the area, he settled down and the game finished. How do you dump him when he goes back to his spot after the lecture and warning? What disservice did he do to the next guy? He did exactly as you said, warn and then dump if he continues, which he did not do, according to the OP.

I warn him while he is in the box/area (we all know they tend to roam a bit), and then when he leaves the box to come to me to argue I toss him. (I don't pretend this is MLB, but I think they have the idea right to toss the mgr when he comes out to argue balls/strikes).

[DG]

Sometimes you just have to train the coaches.. Toss him.

[GA Umpire]

Originally Posted by Bishopcolle

What disservice did he do to the next guy?

The disservice is the next ump has to listen to a guy who should not be in the game in the first place. And, he did not do as told b/c he continued to complain about the calls. Obviously, it seems like the OP poster has regrets for not tossing since he is asking. Remember, we usually don't regret the ejections we do. We regret the ones we don't.

He should have been tossed with no regard to the inning or what happens later. He did it to himself. Get rid of him and teach him to keep his mouth shut next time.

[socalblue1]

Originally Posted by GA Umpire

The disservice is the next ump has to listen to a guy who should not be in the game in the first place. And, he did not do as told b/c he continued to complain about the calls. Obviously, it seems like the OP poster has regrets for not tossing since he is asking. Remember, we usually don't regret the ejections we do. We regret the ones we don't.

He should have been tossed with no regard to the inning or what happens later. He did it to himself. Get rid of him and teach him to keep his mouth shut next time.

Perfect example. A few years ago I ended up dumping a manager at the plate conference because a weak umpire failed to take care of the problem the game prior.

Managers comment as lineups are exchanged "Glad I don't have those idiots who cost us ...". He never finished the sentence or saw a pitch. At that point I had no knowledge of the last game as it was played on a different field.

Related later by other PU: Steal play at 2B, throw beat runner but very lazy/late tag & called safe. Next pitch base hit to put other team ahead for good. Manager came out & had words with BU that should have led to ejection (Very profane & personal). He had been riding the PU about his strike zone all game.

[SanDiegoSteve]

quote: " I call time, take off my mask and take a couple of steps so we are face to face and calmly tell him he can't argue balls and strikes."

My rule of thumb: If I have to remove my mask in the course of dealing with balls and strikes, somebody's getting dumped.

My math formula: Mask removed = ejection.

[kylejt]

Hand up.

"THAT'S ENOUGH!"

If he says one more thing, or takes one more step, it's his choice.

It's that simple.

...and I didn't want the coach to have to sit out the next game of the tourney.

Again, it's his choice.

[waltjp]

Originally Posted by kylejt

Hand up.

"THAT'S ENOUGH!"

If he says one more thing, or takes one more step, it's his choice.

It's that simple.

...and I didn't want the coach to have to sit out the next game of the tourney.

Again, it's his choice.

First, I really hate the phrase, "They eject themselves." They do not. If you doubt this at all please read the OP again and tell me where the ejection was.

To be correct, they display behavior worth of an ejection. We then do our job and eject.

In closing, I agree with Kyle's approach.

Hand up.

"Coach, that's enough."

Eject if objectionable behavior continues.

[Mrumpiresir]

Remain calm. Put your hand up and say " I heard you, That's enough" When he continues, Toss him. Too many umpires let too many coaches get away with too much arguing. First inning, last inning, don't take this stuff. Be calm, be professional. Send the message that this is not tolerated. I am just fed up with the things summertime coaches think they can get away with.