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Old Tue Jun 09, 2009, 02:33pm
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As long as people keep telling me they can see Wichita while facing the Pacific Ocean, I will tell them they cannot.
You can if you're East of Wichita.
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Old Tue Jun 09, 2009, 02:40pm
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You can if you're East of Wichita.
I edited it to make it more precise.
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Old Tue Jun 09, 2009, 02:50pm
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1) it's less than 45 degrees

2) Catcher's can see the movement and still catch the pitch.

3) All those fancy "no-look" passes you see in basketball are because the players CAN see the movement (and the uniform color) in their peripheral vision.

4) Running backs make all those fancy cuts because they can see the peripheral activity.

But you need to learn how to do it.
When was the last time you umpired 180+ games a year for 20 years? I can see just what I can see, and that is an approximate time that the runner took off. Fortunately, I have never had to umpire a game where runners couldn't leave until the ball is pitched. Sounds like some kind of cockamamy softball thing.

Yeah, catchers can see movement and catch a pitch, but can they tell with certainty that the runner left before the ball left the hand? NO, they cannot. And neither can an umpire who is focused on the baseball. The catcher does not have to determine the precise time that the runner's foot leaves the base. The umpire does, and then has to have some a-hole get in his face about it when he makes the wrong decision. The catcher gets to go take off his gear and sit down after his team gets 3 outs.

I played and reffed hoops, and yeah, on no-look passes you know where the player is and can detect his presence, but you don't know exactly which board of the court he is standing on, do you? Peripheral vision is just that...peripheral. It's not recommended to be watching the movement at first base while the pitcher is releasing a ball that gets to the plate in a hurry.
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Old Tue Jun 09, 2009, 02:54pm
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the horse isn't dead until these people stop saying that they can accurately call this from behind the plate with absolute certainty.
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Old Tue Jun 09, 2009, 02:56pm
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Is it just me or does his left hand appear to be a part of the bat?
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Old Tue Jun 09, 2009, 09:07pm
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Is it just me or does his left hand appear to be a part of the bat?
THAT is your best post to date.
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Old Tue Jun 09, 2009, 09:35pm
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THAT is your best post to date.
Indeed.



Put me in the "no chance camp". Ball leaving hand and foot leaving 1B at the same time... no chance. Not even with 60' bases.
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Old Wed Jun 10, 2009, 12:16pm
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Indeed.

Put me in the "no chance camp". Ball leaving hand and foot leaving 1B at the same time... no chance. Not even with 60' bases.
I don't suppose there's a "stopped caring about 20 posts ago" camp, is there?
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