Never seen this before

[ozzy6900]

Originally Posted by harmbu

I was at a district championship game last night and saw something I though was interesting. FED rules. In the top of the sixth inning, B1 attempted to check his swing on an 0-1 pitch. PU pointed and said he swung. The visiting coach asked the count and was informed that it was 0-2. He called time and approached the PU. I was sitting right behind the backstop and heard the following exchange.

PU: Before you start, we are not going to discuss balls and strikes.

Coach: Okay. I just wanted to know if you called that a swing or the pitch was a strike.

PU: I called it a swing.

Coach: Can I just ask that you get help.

PU: I will if I am not sure about a swing.

Coach: I mean on that pitch. Can you appeal.

PU: Sure.

At this point I am fully expecting the BU to confirm that it was a swing. PU points and BU give the safe signal. PU immediately shows the count as 1-1 and the game resumes. Don't know if this was the proper procedure, but I am sure it is as the PU was our local rules interpreter.

Here is how the conversation should have gone:

PU: Before you start, we are not going to discuss balls and strikes.

Coach: Okay. I just wanted to know if you called that a swing or the pitch was a strike.

PU: I called it a swing.

Coach: Can I just ask that you get help.

PU: Coach, I called the swing, not the pitch. It's a strike and there is no appeal on a strike call.

You never, never allow an appeal of a strike call, no matter what rule set, how old the players or how polite the coach is. A strike is a strike and that is all there is to that!

Oh and the PU was an idiot for asking and the BU was a a$$hole for even responding at all!

[DG]

Originally Posted by ozzy6900

Here is how the conversation should have gone:

PU: Before you start, we are not going to discuss balls and strikes.

Coach: Okay. I just wanted to know if you called that a swing or the pitch was a strike.

PU: I called it a swing.

Coach: Can I just ask that you get help.

PU: Coach, I called the swing, not the pitch. It's a strike and there is no appeal on a strike call.

You never, never allow an appeal of a strike call, no matter what rule set, how old the players or how polite the coach is. A strike is a strike and that is all there is to that!

Oh and the PU was an idiot for asking and the BU was a a$$hole for even responding at all!

I will shorten it up even further.

Me: no comment until he speaks
Coach: I just wanted to know if you called that a swing or the pitch was a strike.
Me: swing
Coach: Can I just ask that you get help.
Me: you just did and no

[tballump]

I cannot believe there are umpires are getting to the district playoffs that are appealing a checked swing as the PU that they have already ruled was a swing. There is just too much information out there, not just on this forum, for this to happen. Here we go with that 'help call' get it right at all costs song and dance routine again.

Does anyone ever stick to their guns when they clearly see the call and make the call and it 'is not' a help situation? Too bad, if later on you learn on instant replay that you really missed the call. That is just part of the game. If there are calls and situations that let you get help, fine, but if you clearly see what happened, make the call and stand behind it. If you have to eject an upset coach, so be it, even if it is in the playoffs. Good chance his cherry has been popped already, and if not, oh well, there is always a first time. That appealing coach had to be laughing his a-- off on this one.

[SethPDX]

Originally Posted by waltjp

Which is why I include the following in my pregame when I'm working the bases -

If you want help on a check swing come to me regardless of where I'm positioned or who is batting and I'll give you what I got. I don't get crazy about it like some guys.

I always tell my partner, "give me what you have" as PU. If I'm BU I'll tell my PU I'm giving what I have. And no way are we using any secret code like, "If I say 'he didn't go, did he?' I want you to back up my call." Fortunately I see fewer and fewer guys who "get crazy about it."

[dash_riprock]

Originally Posted by tballump

Does anyone ever stick to their guns when they clearly see the call and make the call and it 'is not' a help situation?...If there are calls and situations that let you get help, fine, but if you clearly see what happened, make the call and stand behind it...

You don't have that option on a request for a check swing appeal in OBR or NCAA.

[tballump]

Originally Posted by dash_riprock

You don't have that option on a request for a check swing appeal in OBR or NCAA.

In the OP, the fifth sentence said, "PU pointed and said he swung". Therefore my comment, "Does anyone ever stick to their guns when they clearly see the call and it's not a help situation? If there are calls that you let you get help, fine, but if you clearly see what happened, make the call and stand behind it. In the OP the PU who had just pointed and said he swung on the check swing, then he asked for help.

Since the PU clearly saw the swing and pointed and said he swung, he does not have the option of asking for help on a request for a check swing appeal in OBR or NCAA. If he 'had not' "pointed and said he swung", you are absolutely correct that the PU must ask for help and I so stated that if there is a call (no he didn't go) that let's you get help, fine, go ahead and ask for help on a request for a check swing appeal as OBR and NCAA say you must. Sorry drr, I was referring to the OP not the second part of this post.

[yawetag]

Originally Posted by harmbu

PU: Before you start, we are not going to discuss balls and strikes.

That seems a bit confrontational to me. Granted, I wasn't there to see any non-verbal actions by the coach, but can't see myself ever starting a conversation like that.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by yawetag

That seems a bit confrontational to me. Granted, I wasn't there to see any non-verbal actions by the coach, but can't see myself ever starting a conversation like that.

Not only that, but then he compounded it by breaking the rule which says that strike calls can't be appealed. He went from one extreme to the other in one conversation. Weak a$$.

[SethPDX]

Originally Posted by ozzy6900

PU: I called it a swing.

Coach: Can I just ask that you get help.

PU: Coach, I called the swing, not the pitch. It's a strike and there is no appeal on a strike call.

I had a conversation like this twice this year, with the same coach, in two games about a month apart.

If I were coaching I think I would look up that rule after the first game, but...well, that's what I get for thinking.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by SethPDX

I had a conversation like this twice this year, with the same coach, in two games about a month apart.

If I were coaching I think I would look up that rule after the first game, but...well, that's what I get for thinking.

Coach might have been working you. Apparently you can get some umpires to reverse a strike call.

[David B]

Originally Posted by mbyron

Coach might have been working you. Apparently you can get some umpires to reverse a strike call.

I think this is really going on way too much. I've noticed the last couple of seasons that coaches now want to appeal "everything".

The only thing I can think of is that there are "lots of umpires" who are allowing them to appeal things that should "not" be appealed.

Thanks
David

[umpduck11]

Originally Posted by harmbu

I was at a district championship game last night and saw something I though was interesting. FED rules. In the top of the sixth inning, B1 attempted to check his swing on an 0-1 pitch. PU pointed and said he swung. The visiting coach asked the count and was informed that it was 0-2. He called time and approached the PU. I was sitting right behind the backstop and heard the following exchange.

PU: Before you start, we are not going to discuss balls and strikes.

Coach: Okay. I just wanted to know if you called that a swing or the pitch was a strike.

PU: I called it a swing.

Coach: Can I just ask that you get help.

PU: I will if I am not sure about a swing.

Coach: I mean on that pitch. Can you appeal.

PU: Sure.

At this point I am fully expecting the BU to confirm that it was a swing. PU points and BU give the safe signal. PU immediately shows the count as 1-1 and the game resumes. Don't know if this was the proper procedure, but I am sure it is as the PU was our local rules interpreter.

This was your rules interpreter ? Did he have a seious brain spasm, or does he not know what he's doing ?