Swinging Strike + Hit Batter + Dropped 3rd Strike

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by bfoster

Cool. Thanks. It's not made that clear in the NFHS 2006 rule book I have.

In FED you need to string together that it's a dead ball and that you can't run the bases on a dead ball.

[bfoster]

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

In FED you need to string together that it's a dead ball and that you can't run the bases on a dead ball.

Yeah that is the logic I follow. But, as devil's advocate, I could argue with myself that since the third strike was not caught, and the ball is immediately dead, the batter should be awarded first base.

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by bfoster

Yeah that is the logic I follow. But, as devil's advocate, I could argue with myself that since the third strike was not caught, and the ball is immediately dead, the batter should be awarded first base.

Getting first on an uncaught third strike is not an award - it has to be earned.

[Matt]

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

Getting first on an uncaught third strike is not an award - it has to be earned.

Not entirely true...A passed ball or wild pitch could go out of play. I think your choice of words might be a bit misleading to lesser-experienced umpires.

[MrUmpire]

Originally Posted by Matt

Not entirely true...A passed ball or wild pitch could go out of play. I think your choice of words might be a bit misleading to lesser-experienced umpires.

No, he's right. In your two scenarios the batter would not be getting first base as a result of the uncaught third strike but rather because of the ball going into dead ball territory. Two different things, two different statements.

His statement stands correct, "Getting first on an uncaught third strike is not an award"

[Matt]

Originally Posted by MrUmpire

No, he's right. In your two scenarios the batter would not be getting first base as a result of the uncaught third strike but rather because of the ball going into dead ball territory. Two different things, two different statements.

His statement stands correct, "Getting first on an uncaught third strike is not an award"

I agree, but I'm thinking of the guys that might take it (due to the second clause in the sentence) to mean "A batter-runner cannot be awarded first on an uncaught third strike."

[johnnyg08]

there's quite a thorough "hands part of the bat thread" that discusses this issue...

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by Matt

I agree, but I'm thinking of the guys that might take it (due to the second clause in the sentence) to mean "A batter-runner cannot be awarded first on an uncaught third strike."

They would be correct to interpret it that way. Again, in your scenarios, the award is due to the ball going out of play, not the D3K. The batter became a runner because of the D3K, but the award was because of the ball entering DBT.