Swinging Strike + Hit Batter + Dropped 3rd Strike

[Rich Ives]

You don't need common sense.

6.05 A batter is out when—
(f) He attempts to hit a third strike and the ball touches him;

[bfoster]

Cool. Thanks. It's not made that clear in the NFHS 2006 rule book I have.

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by bfoster

Cool. Thanks. It's not made that clear in the NFHS 2006 rule book I have.

In FED you need to string together that it's a dead ball and that you can't run the bases on a dead ball.

[bfoster]

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

In FED you need to string together that it's a dead ball and that you can't run the bases on a dead ball.

Yeah that is the logic I follow. But, as devil's advocate, I could argue with myself that since the third strike was not caught, and the ball is immediately dead, the batter should be awarded first base.

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by bfoster

Yeah that is the logic I follow. But, as devil's advocate, I could argue with myself that since the third strike was not caught, and the ball is immediately dead, the batter should be awarded first base.

Getting first on an uncaught third strike is not an award - it has to be earned.

[Matt]

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

Getting first on an uncaught third strike is not an award - it has to be earned.

Not entirely true...A passed ball or wild pitch could go out of play. I think your choice of words might be a bit misleading to lesser-experienced umpires.

[MrUmpire]

Originally Posted by Matt

Not entirely true...A passed ball or wild pitch could go out of play. I think your choice of words might be a bit misleading to lesser-experienced umpires.

No, he's right. In your two scenarios the batter would not be getting first base as a result of the uncaught third strike but rather because of the ball going into dead ball territory. Two different things, two different statements.

His statement stands correct, "Getting first on an uncaught third strike is not an award"

[bossman72]

Originally Posted by bfoster

Cool. Thanks. It's not made that clear in the NFHS 2006 rule book I have.

...you need to get that updated.

[bfoster]

Originally Posted by bossman72

...you need to get that updated.

I know. I volunteer as an umpire. So I'm not likely as "hardcore" as many people here. But, I do love the game and love the rules just as much. So, this is fun for me. You're right, though, I should get a new rule book for myself. Does the new NFHS clarify this situation any more?

[bossman72]

Originally Posted by bfoster

I know. I volunteer as an umpire. So I'm not likely as "hardcore" as many people here. But, I do love the game and love the rules just as much. So, this is fun for me. You're right, though, I should get a new rule book for myself. Does the new NFHS clarify this situation any more?

Do you have the casebook? I believe there is a case play on this... but I could be wrong.