Help me with this situation!

[FATUMP]

Runners on 1st and 3rd, 2 outs, 2 strikes on the batter.
Batter bunts the ball foul, plate and base umpires, defensive team all brain fart and do nothing about it. The next pitch is lined for a single. This is when the HC comes out and says that the kid bunted foul on the the last pitch, he should be out. The umpires got together and called the kid out.
is there rule support for this? The only thing I can find is in rule 10.

[dash_riprock]

There is no "it's too late to fix it if a pitch is thrown" rule for this. You don't have to go to rule 10. 6.05(d) works fine.

[FATUMP]

is that in FED or OBR?

[mbyron]

That's OBR. What rule support are you looking for? Bunt foul with 2 strikes and the batter's out. If the umpire forgets that for a pitch, it doesn't matter, he's still out. Fix it when discovered.

[umpjong]

Hate to disagree, but a rule misapplication must be corrected prior to the next pitch.

Rule 4.19 Comment: Whenever a manager protests a game because of alleged misapplication of the rules the protest will not be recognized unless the umpires are notified at the time the play under protest occurs and before the next pitch, play or attempted play

This is clearly a rules misapplication. (brain fart maybe, but clearly a rules misapplication)

Note 1-2-3 i 1 for NFHS

[Durham]

Use common sense and fair play. Call the kid out and fix it. This isn't an appeal, and I know what the rule says.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by umpjong

Hate to disagree, but a rule misapplication must be corrected prior to the next pitch.

Rule 4.19 Comment: Whenever a manager protests a game because of alleged misapplication of the rules the protest will not be recognized unless the umpires are notified at the time the play under protest occurs and before the next pitch, play or attempted play

This is clearly a rules misapplication. (brain fart maybe, but clearly a rules misapplication)

Note 1-2-3 i 1 for NFHS

I'm not sure what FED rule you meant to cite, but 1-2-3 concerns the location and size of the on-deck circle. There is no case 1.2.3 (i) or any other case 1.2.3 in the 2009 book.

FED leaves more leeway than OBR for umpires to correct their own errors, especially when it puts one team at a disadvantage not intended by the rules. See, for example, the cases concerning a check swing where the BU overrules and his doing so puts the BR or R1 at a disadvantage.

Still, the "till the next pitch" provision is included so that we don't have to go back and replay innings when the screwup is discovered much later. We need that provision, arbitrary as it might be.

Interesting case: I believe that strictly speaking we have till the next pitch to fix an error, and in the OP that pitch has passed. OTOH, it was just 1 pitch, and it seems unfair to the defense to skip the out.

I guess I'd be interested to hear more responses, especially those with rules or cases behind them (not just: "hey, that doesn't seem fair to me!").

[bniu]

Originally Posted by FATUMP

Runners on 1st and 3rd, 2 outs, 2 strikes on the batter.
Batter bunts the ball foul, plate and base umpires, defensive team all brain fart and do nothing about it. The next pitch is lined for a single. This is when the HC comes out and says that the kid bunted foul on the the last pitch, he should be out. The umpires got together and called the kid out.
is there rule support for this? The only thing I can find is in rule 10.

essentially, now your inning is 4 outs long. Just go back and fix it, use common sense and do what's fair. If it is several innings later that it's noticed, well, i dunno if you can do anything about it then...

I think once with two outs and 2 strikes, the batted ball hit the batter and I didn't get a good look if the batter was still in the box so I ruled batter was still in the box and so the batter got to bat again with 2 strikes. Defensive coach was barking down my back about what he thought was a really bad judgement call. Didn't matter in the end as I rung up the hitter on the next pitch. (which was a gopher pitch, why in the world did the batter not swing at it, i dunno). btw, a gopher pitch is a really juicy pitch that is easily hittable for a home run and should be swung at everytime a batter sees one...