Diving over a fielder

[w_sohl]

Originally Posted by mbyron

Disagree. The rule distinguishes between jumping and diving over a fielder who is lying on the ground. A runner who jumps over such a fielder lands on his feet; a runner who dives does not.

Not quite the same in FB, which does not have fielders.

True, but a ball carrier is not allowed to hurdle unless the player, offense or defense, is lying on the ground. So the ruling is similar in FB.

[ManInBlue]

According to the rules, given that they distinguish between jumping, hurdling...and diving, diving over ANY fielder is illegal. I'm almost certain there is a case play on this. I'll post it if/when I find it, provided someone doesn't beat me to it.

In Hockey I can body check a player trying to score and not have INT/OBS called on me. Should I now also assume this is the same as bowling over the catcher? I can't for the life of me figure out how diving in FB has any bearing on diving in BB.

[w_sohl]

Originally Posted by ManInBlue

According to the rules, given that they distinguish between jumping, hurdling...and diving, diving over ANY fielder is illegal. I'm almost certain there is a case play on this. I'll post it if/when I find it, provided someone doesn't beat me to it.

In Hockey I can body check a player trying to score and not have INT/OBS called on me. Should I now also assume this is the same as bowling over the catcher? I can't for the life of me figure out how diving in FB has any bearing on diving in BB.

The rules clearly state that you can dive over a fielder that is lying on the ground. I was only using the FB reference for comparison saying FB was similar to baseball in this regard. Nowhere did I say that since you can drill the QB in FB can you drill the catcher in baseball. See what you read and read what you see. Don't put words into my post.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by w_sohl

The rules clearly state that you can dive over a fielder that is lying on the ground.

Nope. See Dave's post.

[w_sohl]

Originally Posted by mbyron

Nope. See Dave's post.

My bad, anything BUT dive.

[DonInKansas]

So a flying ninja kick is legal over a fielder on the ground; just not flying headbutts.

[w_sohl]

Originally Posted by DonInKansas

So a flying ninja kick is legal over a fielder on the ground; just not flying headbutts.

A flying headbutt is also legal as long as the runners feet are beneath him.

[ManInBlue]

Originally Posted by w_sohl

The rules clearly state that you can dive over a fielder that is lying on the ground. I was only using the FB reference for comparison saying FB was similar to baseball in this regard. Nowhere did I say that since you can drill the QB in FB can you drill the catcher in baseball. See what you read and read what you see. Don't put words into my post.

Calm down, Hoss. I was being a smart a$$ because you compared BB and FB rules (that are not the same). I wasn't putting words in your mouth - did you miss the "" I added for comic relief?

Mr Reed, you win. And thanks for posting.

[Dave Reed]

Originally Posted by ManInBlue

I'm almost certain there is a case play on this. I'll post it if/when I find it, provided someone doesn't beat me to it.

Oh, goody. A race! Maybe I can win......

3.3.1 SITUATION O: On a play at the plate, F2, who is on his knees, is about to receive the throw. R1 decides to hurdle F2 or jump over him feet-first. RULING: The runner is out. A runner is entitled to slide legally or legally attempt to get around a fielder who has the ball waiting to make the tag. Going over the top of the fielder who is not lying on the ground by hurdling, jumping over or diving over the fielder is dangerous and, therefore, illegal. A runner may jump or hurdle a fielder, who is lying on the ground, but diving over a fielder always is illegal.

[waltjp]

Originally Posted by w_sohl

True, but a ball carrier is not allowed to hurdle unless the player, offense or defense, is lying on the ground. So the ruling is similar in FB.

This is not close to the football ruling. It is illegal to hurdle an "opponent who is contacting the ground with no part of his body except one or both feet."

It's legal to hurdle a defender who is kneeling, sitting, or bent over with one or both hands on the ground.

[w_sohl]

Originally Posted by waltjp

This is not close to the football ruling. It is illegal to hurdle an "opponent who is contacting the ground with no part of his body except one or both feet."

It's legal to hurdle a defender who is kneeling, sitting, or bent over with one or both hands on the ground.

Again, didn't say it was the same, just similar.

[ManInBlue]

Originally Posted by w_sohl

Again, didn't say it was the same, just similar.

Actually you said, "This is the same ruling in FB too."

You also defended diving as legal (same as in FB), and claimed the incorrect answer to the exam was indeed correct.

But I'm not keeping track.