End of game in Milwaukee

[cc6]

Originally Posted by MrUmpire

Your rule reference, please.

MLBUM 2.19: Throwing equipment in protest of call
Any player throwing equipment in disgust of an umpire's call shall be reported and subject to fine, and if flagrant, to ejection. The offender is to be notified that he is being reported for an equipment violation.

[Kevin Finnerty]

Your refutation of his rule reference, please.

[umpjong]

Nothing in the rule states it is an automatic ejection, and it even states that the act must be done in disgust of an umpires call and it must be flagrant to be an ejection.... I would hope you would not base the throwing of the ball as your sole proof of either of these stipulations. Even at the collegiate level I would not right paper on this unless he added something like "I honestly think you blew that call Mr. Umpire", and then bounced the ball up my skirt......

[MrUmpire]

Originally Posted by Kevin Finnerty

Your refutation of his rule reference, please.

I'm not refuting the MBUM, I'm refuting cc6. If you read carefully you will see that his original claim was :

"Also, thrown equipment is an automatic ejection in the mlb."


Now then, if yuu read the MLBUM, you'll find:

"MLBUM 2.19: Throwing equipment in protest of call,

"Any player throwing equipment in disgust of an umpire's call shall be reported and subject to fine, and if flagrant, to ejection."

There is nothing AUTOMATIC about an ejection. The umpire must interpret the action and apply his judgement on an individual basis.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by MrUmpire

I'm not refuting the MBUM, I'm refuting cc6. If you read carefully you will see that his original claim was :

"Also, thrown equipment is an automatic ejection in the mlb."


Now then, if yuu read the MLBUM, you'll find:

"MLBUM 2.19: Throwing equipment in protest of call,

"Any player throwing equipment in disgust of an umpire's call shall be reported and subject to fine, and if flagrant, to ejection."

There is nothing AUTOMATIC about an ejection. The umpire must interpret the action and apply his judgement on an individual basis.

Not to mention that the MLBUM says nothing about an ejection being "post game," to which Canada also alluded.

[MrUmpire]

Originally Posted by cc6

MLBUM 2.19: Throwing equipment in protest of call
Any player throwing equipment in disgust of an umpire's call shall be reported and subject to fine, and if flagrant, to ejection. The offender is to be notified that he is being reported for an equipment violation.

cc6:

You are a college student. Surely you understand the difference between "automatic" and "if flagrant." One requires judgement, the other does not.

An ejection for thrown equipment is not automatic.

[kylejt]

Since when is the game ball "equipment"?

Thank you, Happy Easter, and good night Gracie.

[DG]

Originally Posted by kylejt

Since when is the game ball "equipment"?

I have been wondering the same thing.

But really, would anyone eject a catcher for throwing the ball to the ground, or any fielder for throwing his glove or hat to the ground after a game ending play in which they lost on that play, at any level?

I suppose these same people, if they exist, would eject a batter for pounding the end of his bat in the ground after striking out swinging at a bad pitch, or would eject a pitcher for throwing his glove into the dugout while he is walking into the dugout after being relieved after giving up a game changing home run.

I think the umpire in the video handled everything exactly as I hope I would given the same circumstances.

[Ump153]

cc6:

If a baseball were considered equipment and throwing of equipment were an automatic ejection, how on earth would the umpires be able to write all the ejection reports for those hapless pitchers, fielders and catchers who threw that piece of "equipment"?

Please, use some common sense.

[Matt]

Originally Posted by Ump153

cc6:

If a baseball were considered equipment and throwing of equipment were an automatic ejection, how on earth would the umpires be able to write all the ejection reports for those hapless pitchers, fielders and catchers who threw that piece of "equipment"?

Please, use some common sense.

Wait a minute! We may be onto something here...just think of how short the games would be if we did use his interpretation!

[cc6]

I was wrong in saying that thrown equipment is an automatic ejection. I meant that thrown equipment to show up an umpire is an automatic ejection. I must have just not been thinking- it's the long weekend. My gaff, my mistake. Sorry for the uproar I caused.

[UMP25]

Originally Posted by cc6

MLBUM 2.19: Throwing equipment in protest of call
Any player throwing equipment in disgust of an umpire's call shall be reported and subject to fine, and if flagrant, to ejection. The offender is to be notified that he is being reported for an equipment violation.

And this says post-game ejection where, exactly? In MLB, one cannot be ejected after a game has ended.