Verbalizing the Count?

[w_sohl]

What about these...

If the count is...

0-1 say O and 1
0-2 say O and 2
1-0 say 1 and O
2-0 say 2 and O
3-0 say 3 and O
1-1 say 1 and 1
1-2 say 1 and 2
2-2 say twenty-two
3-2 say Count is full or 3 and 2 or thirty-two

Mainly asking about saying twenty-two, I use it, never had a problem. I do not, however, say thirty-two, count is full is what I use.

[Ump153]

Originally Posted by w_sohl

What about these...

If the count is...


2-2 say twenty-two
3-2 say Count is full or thirty-two

Mainly asking about saying twenty-two, I use it,

I've heard those used. Usually by guys in need of a shave and wearing rumpled uniforms and a sweat-stained hat. They normaly show the count to the 12 year old pitcher, then to each dugout.

[jicecone]

Talk about making little things out of nothing. I once worked with a guy that believed that every time he signaled the count, I was supposed to also signal the count in the field. We are in the second inning and he calls time out to come into the field and tell me this. (true story) My reply was your kidding right? He said "No, I take this stuff very seriously. I then told him that based upon what I have seen of his strike zone so far, I didn't want to embarass him by showing the correct count.

We didn't talk the rest of the game and fortuanely never worked together again either.???????????????????

[ManInBlue]

Originally Posted by jicecone

Talk about making little things out of nothing. I once worked with a guy that believed that every time he signaled the count, I was supposed to also signal the count in the field. We are in the second inning and he calls time out to come into the field and tell me this. (true story) My reply was your kidding right? He said "No, I take this stuff very seriously. I then told him that based upon what I have seen of his strike zone so far, I didn't want to embarass him by showing the correct count.

We didn't talk the rest of the game and fortuanely never worked together again either.???????????????????

That's funny right there. I don't care who ya are.

[UMP25]

This whole thread reminds me of why I don't ask some umpires what time it is. Instead of telling me the time, they tell me how to build a watch.

[insatty]

At a college clinic, the instructors taught to verbalize loudly with fingers on odd counts, except 0-1/1-0, and verbalize even counts to batter and catcher. I've used it ever since and it works greatly to keep you in the game and rarely loose the count.

[UMP25]

Originally Posted by insatty

I've used it ever since and it works greatly to keep you in the game and rarely loose the count.

Do you ever tighten the count?

I verbalize and signal the count on every pitch from the second pitch on, except if the batter fouls off a few, and I rarely have anyone asking me what the count is due to my giving it so often.

[Kevin Finnerty]

Originally Posted by w_sohl

What about these...

If the count is...

0-1 say O and 1
0-2 say O and 2
1-0 say 1 and O
2-0 say 2 and O
3-0 say 3 and O
1-1 say 1 and 1
1-2 say 1 and 2
2-2 say twenty-two
3-2 say Count is full or 3 and 2 or thirty-two

Mainly asking about saying twenty-two, I use it, never had a problem. I do not, however, say thirty-two, count is full is what I use.

Don't say "Twenty-two," and don't say "Count is full," and definitely don't say "Thirty-two."

They're seen as lower-level.

[dash_riprock]

Publicly - numbers & fingers directed at F1. one-oh, two-two, three-two, etc.

Privately (to B and F2 only) same except 1-0 = one ball, 2-0 = two balls (same for strikes), 2-2 = twos and 3-2 = full. No fingers.

I've been to a bunch of NCAA clinics and no one has told me to change. However, it could be because they were too busy correcting everything else.

[UMP25]

I still can't believe this thread (a) exists and (b) is now 4 pages long.

[SAump]

Originally Posted by w_sohl

What about these...
If the count is...
0-1 say O and 1
0-2 say O and 2
1-0 say 1 and O
2-0 say 2 and O
3-0 say 3 and O
1-1 say 1 and 1
1-2 say 1 and 2
2-2 say twenty-two
3-2 say Count is full or 3 and 2 or thirty-two
Mainly asking about saying twenty-two, I use it, never had a problem. I do not, however, say thirty-two, count is full is what I use.

Is there a scoreboard operator in the park? {HeHeHeHe}

Despite numerous attempts for conformity here after the OP, people who count twenty-two, or Full Count or 3 and 2 or thirty-two or 3 - 2 are not helping matters. Most of us conform by the time we get to two balls, two strikes. I will allow others to say 2-2 or 3 and 2. There is always going to be one in nine.

All nine are NO-brainers, but the those first five are especially O-brainers, and those last three will get mentioned in my post-game too. I do signal after contact or a swing and a miss. I try not to signal after a first ball or first strike call. I do not verbalize the count every single time, mostly w/ runners on base, or request. I never say never. I believe the umpire should not take on scoreboard or announcing duties. I believe it should remain quiet, like in golf, a moment for concentration. YMMV.

[w_sohl]

Originally Posted by SAump

will get mentioned in my post-game

With all seriousness, what would you post-game with me on this? I would like to do it the way it is intended to be done.

[SAump]

Originally Posted by w_sohl

With all seriousness, what would you post-game with me on this? I would like to do it the way it is intended to be done.

For example, 1 ball, 1 strike isn't eleven, and 1 ball, 2 strikes isn't twelve.
I believe this is important info to pass on during post-game discussion.
I have been told never to verbalize twenty or thirty or full count.

Your post raises the big question about the need for a verbal "Zero, Oh or No" ball count.
There is no need to verbalize the "Zero, Oh or No" counts.
For example, 0 ball, 1 strike is 1 strike, and 0 ball, 2 strikes is 2 strikes.
Verbalize 1 or 2 strikes, or 1, 2 or 3 balls, only adding "Oh or No" from time to time.

We all have been there, done that at one time or another. Asking for a reason why or for an explanation after using them when I am told not to really isn't a discussion I want to enter. There are some small things like this that are simple to accept by most people. Then again, I don't always do what I'm told either, sometimes I simply forget, or continue to ignore great advice and do the things I want to do.