2009 MLB Umpire Crews

[tballump]

A little late to the game with the crew stuff hoss. However if you click on schools in the upper left, you will find the 2 schools to choose from if you want to try and pursue umpiring professionally, and 1 school if you would like to pursue eventually working in the ACC as an amateur.

[MrUmpire]

Originally Posted by tballump

A little late to the game with the crew stuff hoss. However if you click on schools in the upper left, you will find the 2 schools to choose from if you want to try and pursue umpiring professionally, and 1 school if you would like to pursue eventually working in the ACC as an amateur.

You may call me a sniffer, if you'd like, but I enjoy treating the underpaid young men who umpire MiLB to dinner and drinks from time to time. I am fortunate to be in an area in which I can see Single A, Double A and Triple umpires work, grow and succeed.

Anyway, the point of my post: During one of my last outings with a Triple A crew I was told that they may be some major moves in MLB and all levels of MiLB umpiring that would filter down and result in PBUC needing many young new umpires next spring.

For those who have been considering taking the opportunity to see if they have what it takes, this may be the best year to attend proschool for many years to come.

[tballump]

Originally Posted by MrUmpire

You may call me a sniffer, if you'd like, but I enjoy treating the underpaid young men who umpire MiLB to dinner and drinks from time to time. I am fortunate to be in an area in which I can see Single A, Double A and Triple umpires work, grow and succeed.
Anyway, the point of my post: During one of my last outings with a Triple A crew I was told that they may be some major moves in MLB and all levels of MiLB umpiring that would filter down and result in PBUC needing many young new umpires next spring.
For those who have been considering taking the opportunity to see if they have what it takes, this may be the best year to attend proschool for many years to come.

Whoa MrUmpire=go back to the original poster edman42 and the OP. It gave a link to the MLBU crews for 2009. I did not even see a post by you prior to my post #6.
I applaud your help and understanding of the MiLBU plight and your continued support with a home cooked meal which I am sure is greatly appreciated. Tim_C alluded to few openings in a post this year (2009) for MiLB. I am giving the answer I gave in which I speculated the year 2010 might be good to go.

"Yes, it is probably a rough year to try for a job due to the World Baseball Classic. They are probably going to need the entire AAA staff working MLB Spring Training while the regular staff works the Classic. That would leave very few AAA guys to man the minor league Spring Training camps. That would explain (just guessing) the few releases this year. So, maybe next year would be a good year to go. The above is just pure speculation."

We are on the same page with this. MLBU might run into the same contract problems that the NBA is having concerning a retirement package since they are represented by the same attorney, and both the NBA refs and MLBU seem to have had some of the same problems over the same issues over the years. Nobody took the one in the last contract for 2005. No retirement package (or special package for some as someone else alluded to if my memory serves me right on this board) probably=no retirements from the senior guys unless health problems knock them out. Some of the AAA guys that were kept for the World Classic could probably be released this year and this might filter on down. However, they may need AAA guys to stay at least one more year in case there is a strike like the NBA is apparently going to have. But if a retirement package is worked out and their is no strike, they could release more in MiLB this year as you said. Of course they usually release MiLB around WS time and the new contract probably will not be done by then. Seems like this year and next could possibly be a lot of openings. Once again, just speculating from reading, but you have more inside knowledge. Lets see what happens.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by MrUmpire

You may call me a sniffer, if you'd like, but I enjoy treating the underpaid young men who umpire MiLB to dinner and drinks from time to time. I am fortunate to be in an area in which I can see Single A, Double A and Triple umpires work, grow and succeed.

I don't think anyone would consider this noble endeavor to be jock sniffing.

[SethPDX]

Originally Posted by MrUmpire

You may call me a sniffer, if you'd like, but I enjoy treating the underpaid young men who umpire MiLB to dinner and drinks from time to time. I am fortunate to be in an area in which I can see Single A, Double A and Triple umpires work, grow and succeed.

Then I'm a jock sniffer too. I love watching the PCL guys work and would jump at the chance to meet some of them. When I see them in MLB games I say to myself, "I've seen him work," like I do when I see players I've seen play.

[jwwashburn]

Originally Posted by MrUmpire

You may call me a sniffer, if you'd like, but I enjoy treating the underpaid young men who umpire MiLB to dinner and drinks from time to time. I am fortunate to be in an area in which I can see Single A, Double A and Triple umpires work, grow and succeed.

Anyway, the point of my post: During one of my last outings with a Triple A crew I was told that they may be some major moves in MLB and all levels of MiLB umpiring that would filter down and result in PBUC needing many young new umpires next spring.

For those who have been considering taking the opportunity to see if they have what it takes, this may be the best year to attend proschool for many years to come.

Underpaid? How do you figure? They are paid what the market will bear.

[SethPDX]

Originally Posted by jwwashburn

Underpaid? How do you figure? They are paid what the market will bear.

Oh boy. Here we go again.

[jwwashburn]

A discussion a lot of people are interested in...then...GASP...people will post posts! Oh, the humanity!

[HokieUmp]

Originally Posted by jwwashburn

Underpaid? How do you figure? They are paid what the market will bear.

Riiiiight. Because paying MiLB umpires more money would take up SO much of the hundreds of millions of dollars made in profit by MLB and its owners.

[jwwashburn]

Originally Posted by HokieUmp

Riiiiight. Because paying MiLB umpires more money would take up SO much of the hundreds of millions of dollars made in profit by MLB and its owners.

That is a strawman wrapped in a red herring.

Paying MILB umpires more money makes no sense for the owners because they don't have to pay them more money. People are willing to work for what they are paying.
The owners have no need or desire to give them more money. Business owners want to have less expenses, not more.

This is simple economics.

they pay left handed relievers a lot of money and some people say they are "overpaid". They need pitchers to get outs so they can win games so they can sell more tickets and beer and hats and tee shirts.

"Underpaid" would be if their paycheck did not match their contract.

[tballump]

Originally Posted by jwwashburn

Paying MILB umpires more money makes no sense for the owners because they don't have to pay them more money. People are willing to work for what they are paying.

And amateur umpires are willing to cross the line when they strike for better pay and benefits rather than go to the school and become MiLB themselves.

"The owners have no need or desire to give them more money. Business owners want to have less expenses, not more."

They want to put more money in their own pockets, not less.

This is simple economics.

[mbyron]

Nobody ever got rich owning and operating a MiLB franchise. With a good team, the gate and concessions might cover your loan interest.

Also: why should the umpires make more than the players? Last I heard, MiLB players made around $3K/month, about the same as the umpires.

Finally: the players and umpires do it for the same reason: it's the only way to get to the show. And the chance of winning that particular lottery is itself a form of compensation.

[HokieUmp]

Originally Posted by jwwashburn

Paying MILB umpires more money makes no sense for the owners because they don't have to pay them more money. People are willing to work for what they are paying.
The owners have no need or desire to give them more money. Business owners want to have less expenses, not more.

This is simple economics.

Thanks for that quick snapshot of Econ 101. I get the idea that lower expenses are A Good Thing to owners; perhaps our differences, then, are the semantics of your statement. To wit:

Originally Posted by jwwashburn

They are paid what the market will bear.

Yes, in a simple reading, MiLB umpires getting paid what they are is what the market will bear because a) owners won't pay more and b) umpires have no real leverage.

But to me, the market could and should 'bear' more for the service provided. Not least of which because baseball (meaning: MLB and its owners) could certainly swing the costs of a living wage. Also, given they a) expect perfection in each game and every call, and b) have told umpires "you have to take all kinds of %^&$% from every yahoo player and coach that wouldn't know the rules if they were introduced, and you can't give it back" ... then they should pay for that level of service.

I realize my take on it is perhaps more a philosophical point versus simple economics, but if you want quality, you should pay more for it - and I think that's also simple economics.

[jwwashburn]

Originally Posted by HokieUmp

Thanks for that quick snapshot of Econ 101. I get the idea that lower expenses are A Good Thing to owners; perhaps our differences, then, are the semantics of your statement. To wit:

Yes, in a simple reading, MiLB umpires getting paid what they are is what the market will bear because a) owners won't pay more and b) umpires have no real leverage.

Exactly! They have no real leverage.

Originally Posted by HokieUmp

But to me, the market could and should 'bear' more for the service provided. Not least of which because baseball (meaning: MLB and its owners) could certainly swing the costs of a living wage. Also, given they a) expect perfection in each game and every call, and b) have told umpires "you have to take all kinds of %^&$% from every yahoo player and coach that wouldn't know the rules if they were introduced, and you can't give it back" ... then they should pay for that level of service.

Whether they 'should' or not is an interesting discussion. The MILB umpires are trying to get to the MLB. They are willing to work for peanuts for the chance. You think the owners 'should' pay higher wages because you think that the owners have too much money. How about the ticket takers, ball girls, beer guys, grounds crew, souvenir shop cashier, etc? 'Should' they make more, also? And who 'should' decide how much? 'Should' the owner have any say so in how he spends his money? After all, for now, the government is not running baseball...yet.

Originally Posted by HokieUmp

I realize my take on it is perhaps more a philosophical point versus simple economics, but if you want quality, you should pay more for it - and I think that's also simple economics.

The umpiring at the Minor League level is good enough for the owners to not want to pay any more.

[MrUmpire]

Originally Posted by jwwashburn

That is a strawman wrapped in a red herring.

Paying MILB umpires more money makes no sense for the owners because they don't have to pay them more money. People are willing to work for what they are paying.

The owners have no need or desire to give them more money. Business owners want to have less expenses, not more.

This is simple economics.

With apologies to congress, nothing is simple in economics. Outside of th classroom there are always a number of considerations, including unintended consequences, in addition to supply and demand.

I find it amazing that some of the posters who b!tch the most about the quality of umpiring this year, particularly that of call-ups, are the most vocal about not increasing MiLB umpires' wages.

Consider:

Since the wages, per diem and benefits (or lack thereof) become well know during and after the MiLB umpire strike, the quality of umpires making it to PBUC, according to some proschool instructors and two PBUC evaluators, has steadily declined. This in spite of increasing numbers at both proschools.

Granted, there remains sufficient bodies willing to work for $1900 a month during the season to fill the vacancies at the lowest of levels. But there is evidence that as time goes on, and vacancies occur at higher levels, those spots will eventually be filled by less qualified umpires.

The "what the market will bear" philosophy in regards to umpirig applies only to bodies, not quality.

Even in the minors, players are rewarded for performance. Umpires are not. Granted, the primary incentive is a shot at the "show", but that incentive, more and more, is not compensating for the poor pay and dismal treatment.

Umpires who release themselves used to do so solely because they realized that they were not going to make it. Typically, an umpire who received a year-end rating that guaranteed him a third year at long A or a fifth year at AA saw the handwriting on the wall and quit.

Now, more and more umpires who have shown the potential to continue moving up are also releasing. The lure of potential big bucks no longer compensates for a lack of ability to support a family or even oneself in the off season. Add in a total lack of compassion that some experience during an in-season family tragedy, as, as I understand it, one of our posters here experienced, and even those being groomed for higher levels drop out. And remember, each time an experienced, talented umpire quits during the season, one of the lower level school grads, one who initially was rated as not good enough by PBUC, and at times one who didn't even make it to PBUC, gets the call when the vacancy filters down.

Members of a Triple crew told me that the poster here who released after incredibly shabby treatment from both his league and PBUC was seen at the time as a sure bet to make it at least to Triple A- call up.

Regardless of altruistic beginnings, money does matter and it matters more to the proficient than it does to the incompetent.

So, if you enjoy b!tching about the quality of today's call-ups, keep justifying the sh!tty pay and disgusting treatment of the youngsters being groomed for the future and you'll be able to double the pleasure you get from b!tching in no time.