Courtesy Runner/Substitution

[btdt]

Using a courtesy runner does not constitute a "substitution".
You can courtesy run for pitcher/catcher every time they are on base and the CR is not a sub, he is a CR.
Since they have not substituted for the pitcher/catcher when using CR your problem is solved if the umpires know the NFHS rules.
Also remember the CR can not have been in the game and after he is a CR he still have his original entry privileges.

[mrm21711]

Originally Posted by btdt

Using a courtesy runner does not constitute a "substitution".
You can courtesy run for pitcher/catcher every time they are on base and the CR is not a sub, he is a CR.
Since they have not substituted for the pitcher/catcher when using CR your problem is solved if the umpires know the NFHS rules.
Also remember the CR can not have been in the game and after he is a CR he still have his original entry privileges.

My mistake in originally typing this. My memory was a little foggy and this was a real world situation that happened in our area a few years ago. The Shortstop was a star on the team and came in to pitch the next half inning...hence me referring to him as a pitcher. The original post has been modified....it was the coach trying to substitute a pinch runner for the shortstop (who already re-entered earlier in the game).

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by mrm21711

My mistake in originally typing this. My memory was a little foggy and this was a real world situation that happened in our area a few years ago. The Shortstop was a star on the team and came in to pitch the next half inning...hence me referring to him as a pitcher. The original post has been modified....it was the coach trying to substitute a pinch runner for the shortstop (who already re-entered earlier in the game).

"The UIC shall record any reported substitution and then announce any change(s) to the opposing team. ... Should there be no announcement ..."

So, once the UIC records it and tells the opposing team, it's too late to back out. You don't say if that's what happened in the play in question.

[johnnyg08]

He's not a pitcher until he pitches though...so the coach is saying while on offense, I want a CR for him because he's going to pitch in the next half inning?

[mrm21711]

Originally Posted by johnnyg08

He's not a pitcher until he pitches though...so the coach is saying while on offense, I want a CR for him because he's going to pitch in the next half inning?

No I originally mistyped it. The coach was planning to bring him on to pitch the next half inning, but he was in the game as the SS when he hit a double and was removed for the apparent second time.

From the newspaper article online (when they refer to the "Senior" Allie, the star shortstop's father is the coach of the team as well):

It wouldn't be St. Edward vs. St. Ignatius without a little controversy. The dispute began when Stetson Allie followed Lavisky's hit with his second double of the day, a rocket-shot that bounced off the fence just to the right of the 385-foot sign. The senior Allie sent Mike Short in to pinch-run for his son, the second time he used that maneuver in the game. Under the high school re-entry rules, the second time a player is replaced with a courtesy runner he must leave the game for good.

St. Ignatius coach Brad Ganor and assistant T.J. Donovan argued vigorously with home plate umpire Gary Rosplohowski to no avail. Allie was returned to the game before the next pitch was thrown. Ganor, a St. Edward graduate, maintained his composure after the game, but was visibly upset.

"I was shocked when they took Stetson out," said Ganor. "It's not official until the ump says it's official. I asked the ump if the change was official and he said it was. Then he said the change wasn't official because another pitch hadn't been thrown. The rule clearly states another pitch does not have to be thrown."

Carrying a rule book onto the field, Donovan and Ganor approached Rosplohowski at the half-inning change to plead their case again.

"He wouldn't hear of it," said Ganor. Tournament officials declined to make the umpires available afterward.