Charged Conferences-FED

[aschramm]

I've only had this happen once, maybe twice to me. Granted I've only been doing this one year though. It happened during a U12 tournament game where a coach was about to head out to his defensive infielders, asked for time and was about to walk onto the field. He saw that his players were in position that he wanted, and basically said 'nevermind, we're good'. I didn't charge a conference, since like SDS said it wasn't an interruption to the game. Maybe 5-10 seconds at most.

Now to take this thread in another direction. I was reading through the casebook last night and it says that (not exact wording, doing my best to paraphrase) "If defensive coach A is attending to an injured player in the field, another coach from A can go out and have a conference with his fielders or pitcher, and there is no charged conference since it is taking place at the same time as the injury conference. However if the second coach is taking too long to leave the field, or if it is obvious that the injury was faked, a conference can be charged". I am not really sure why you shouldn't charge a conference to the second coach, since it is a meeting between coach and player.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by aschramm

I am not really sure why you shouldn't charge a conference to the second coach, since it is a meeting between coach and player.

Because it doesn't delay the game. Think of the rule as the equivalent of the time-out rule in basketball or football.

[aschramm]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Because it doesn't delay the game. Think of the rule as the equivalent of the time-out rule in basketball or football.

I understand the equivalent of basketball or football. And now that I'm thinking of it, it makes more sense. In football with an injury timeout, the players can still go to their sideline as long as all the coaches stay on the out-of-bounds side of the sideline. OK, nevermind...I get it

Edit: And from a time perspective, it makes more sense for a single coach to go out, rather than 8 fielders come toward the dugout.

[Emperor Ump]

In aschramm's new situation wouldn't this be the same as a coach using an injury to discuss strategy with his players? As umpires we're supposed to monitor the situation to make sure no instruction is given, if it is we are supposed to charge a conference. If we would charge a conference when we hear the coach giving instruction to his players during an injury (real or fake) wouldn't we charge a conference for an assistant coach discussing strategy?

Without having any books to reference at hand, I would probably charge a conference.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Emperor Ump

In aschramm's new situation wouldn't this be the same as a coach using an injury to discuss strategy with his players? As umpires we're supposed to monitor the situation to make sure no instruction is given, if it is we are supposed to charge a conference. If we would charge a conference when we hear the coach giving instruction to his players during an injury (real or fake) wouldn't we charge a conference for an assistant coach discussing strategy?

Without having any books to reference at hand, I would probably charge a conference.

There's a specific case play where this is NOT a conference.

[yawetag]

This would be 3.4.1 SITUATION F (2008 edition). If anyone needs it quoted, I'll be happy to do so.

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

There's a specific case play where this is NOT a conference.

[aschramm]

Originally Posted by Emperor Ump

In aschramm's new situation wouldn't this be the same as a coach using an injury to discuss strategy with his players? As umpires we're supposed to monitor the situation to make sure no instruction is given, if it is we are supposed to charge a conference. If we would charge a conference when we hear the coach giving instruction to his players during an injury (real or fake) wouldn't we charge a conference for an assistant coach discussing strategy?

Without having any books to reference at hand, I would probably charge a conference.

Bob is correct, there is a specific case play that says this is not a conference. However, it does go on to say that if the second coach takes more than a reasonable time to break the conference and head to the dugout, then you can charge them a defensive conference. It also says that if it is determined that the injury was faked, you can also charge a conference.

[Emperor Ump]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

There's a specific case play where this is NOT a conference.

Originally Posted by aschramm

Bob is correct, there is a specific case play that says this is not a conference. However, it does go on to say that if the second coach takes more than a reasonable time to break the conference and head to the dugout, then you can charge them a defensive conference. It also says that if it is determined that the injury was faked, you can also charge a conference.

Good to know....