Ejection Video

[bobbybanaduck]

Originally Posted by canadaump6

Shouldn't he stand where he is, have the discussion, toss the rat, then not say anything until his partner comes in and walks the rat off the field?

this is where there is a monumental difference in what is taught at pro schools and expected in pro ball, and what is apparently practiced at amateur levels. Rich's post above is on par with what is taught at the schools. if the argument remains one on one and is not violent (heated is OK, violent is not) then the argument will continue to be one on one until something happens that dictates the partner(s) getting involved. such things generally include:

- violence (bumping, poking, etc.)
- the ratio dictates involvement (more than one on one)
- arguing umpire has had enough (communicated by walking away from argument)

until one of those things happen, the partner(s) generally are to leave the arguing to those involved. if it is prolonged enough, then the partner should have moved so that he is in close enough proximity so he can hear what is going on (for purposes of writing report, and also to insert himself in there once one of the above listed things happens.)

a vast majority of the EJs on youtube and the like (that do not involve professional umpires) are handled almost exactly opposite of what is taught at the schools, i.e. partner comes barrelling in to "rescue" the arguing umpire as soon as the EJ takes place. it seems like there are some guys (on here and not on here) that think that the EJ'd party should be ignored as soon as he is ejected. to me, this is just plain arrogant, and doesn't do anything to help the situation. arguments happen. EJs happen. i think what it boils down to is that they just don't happen that often in amateur ball, and there isn't enough time spent on handling of situations when umpires are trained at the local level.

[UmpTTS43]

We are taught, NCAA level, that once the ejection has occured, the ejecting ump should turn and walk away. Partner/s should then make sure offender leaves the field, either by escorting or running interference.

[TussAgee11]

I didn't see a problem with BU taking a few steps to the coach as the coach came. If the coach is really hot, I'll make him come all the way. But sometimes, a few steps can be some positive body language that tells the coach, "okay, I'll talk and listen to you". Sometimes, that's all a coach needs. Coaches think umpires are arrogant. If we can get away from that notion by letting him know you will listen, he is much less likely to do something that will get him EJ'd.

Now, once he did whatever he did to get EJ'd, I'm not sure I would have been that loud about it. I would have turned my back to him, given the left hand, and then turned back around to face him.

Why walk away? Are you scared of him?

I've actually tossed, and then had a coach calm down because I explained to him where he went wrong before my partner eventually moved in. He has alot of respect for me because of it, and realized that it wasn't me that tossed him, it was himself

Just some philosophies I've worked in that prevail on the basketball side of things.

[RPatrino]

This obviously isn't Youth ball, so no, i don't feel the BU did anything aggressive at all. Canada, I'm not gonna let any coach jump on me and not do a little jumping back. If we aren't aggressive in our neck of the woods, we are exiled to Freshman one man games.

Now, if my partner is getting in an animated conversation with a coach, I'm not going to stay 60 ft away. I'm going to be moving toward the location where this discussion is occuring and staying within earshot of the argument. I won't move in to peel off the coach until after an EJ and after my partner, turns his back and walks away.

I will never step on my partners toes in this kind of situation. Let him have his say and when HE is finished with the coach, then I will rodeo clown the offender.

[JJ]

Part of what I've been encouraged to do in NCAA is try to keep the coach in the game by listening longer than I would if I were in Pro ball. Logically, then, if and when I finally do dump him, as far as I'm concerned he's already told me what he thinks, I've already explained my position, and he's been repeating himself to the point of wasting everyone's time AND delaying the game. That's why once I dump someone, I'm done talking - and listening - and I turn and walk away and expect my partner to be there to escort him off.
That's not to say that I don't have "quick" ejections when I hear "magic" words, but those are pretty much understood by everyone involved.

JJ

[jkumpire]

Men,

It just seemed to me that the PU was haning back a good distance, then walking in after the ejection. I would been on the hop if I was a distance away.

Your milage may differ..

[PeteBooth]

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Originally Posted by bobbybanaduck

this is where there is a monumental difference in what is taught at pro schools and expected in pro ball, and what is apparently practiced at amateur levels. Rich's post above is on par with what is taught at the schools. if the argument remains one on one and is not violent (heated is OK, violent is not) then the argument will continue to be one on one until something happens that dictates the partner(s) getting involved. such things generally include:

Bobby IMO, you canot compare what is taught at PRO School to the amteur level.

PRO ball is on TV for all to see and while Lou Pinella might make a jerk out of himself I do not think the umpires feel as though Lou will take a punch or become violent. Yes he's thrown dirt on the umpire, he's thrown bases etc. but nothing in which the umpires felt was threatening.

In amateur baseball we are dealing with amateur coaches. You do not know what will happen so IMO, in the amateur game it's best for the umpire who is not involved in the discussion to step in as quickly as possible to get the coach to leave.

Also, I cannot speak for college but in HS we do not have any "armed security" at our disposal as do PRO umpires.

In a nutshell in the amateur game if coaches act like the one in the video they should be suspended for a Long time. Also, the "other" partner should step in more quickly then they would in a D1 College game or a PRO game because one is comparing Apples to Oranges.

Pete Booth