Ejection Video

[canadaump6]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3RJf...eature=related

Does the base umpire make the mistake of being too aggressive in this situation?

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by canadaump6

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3RJf...eature=related

Does the base umpire make the mistake of being too aggressive in this situation?

I didn't think so.

I did think whoever submitted this was lame to keep rewinding and showing the ump tossing the dweeb over and over. He tossed him, the guy didn't leave, he told him to leave again, he didn't leave, the the PU arrived and took care of business like he should. The coach looked like a typical mouthy f*ck, and I don't care much for mouthy rat f*cks.

[bobbybanaduck]

do you think they charged him a trip? that's a classic academy instructor move right there.

[waltjp]

Originally Posted by bobbybanaduck

do you think they charged him a trip? that's a classic academy instructor move right there.

Bobby, please explain. Are you saying they (instructors) are trying to see if you remember to charge for a conference?

[bobbybanaduck]

Originally Posted by waltjp

Bobby, please explain. Are you saying they (instructors) are trying to see if you remember to charge for a conference?

indeed. usually it is done after a trip has already been made in the inning...which means a pitching change would be required.

[jkumpire]

I'd like to work on a good field like that someday!

IMO, the PU needed to be on the hop when his partner ran the manager. Get the manager away as fast as possible. Other than that, it was fine.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by canadaump6

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3RJf...eature=related

Does the base umpire make the mistake of being too aggressive in this situation?

Other than being on the mound (it's unclear to me why BU is up there), what makes you question whether BU was too aggressive? There was a discussion, we don't know what was said (at least I couldn't hear it clearly), BU tossed the manager / coach with a nice point, PU came out in a reasonable time, BU didn't follow, ....

[canadaump6]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Other than being on the mound (it's unclear to me why BU is up there), what makes you question whether BU was too aggressive? There was a discussion, we don't know what was said (at least I couldn't hear it clearly), BU tossed the manager / coach with a nice point, PU came out in a reasonable time, BU didn't follow, ....

The base umpire invited the confrontation by taking a few steps towards the rat, and also he started talking back to the rat and pointing to the gate. Shouldn't he stand where he is, have the discussion, toss the rat, then not say anything until his partner comes in and walks the rat off the field?

[jdmara]

Originally Posted by canadaump6

The base umpire invited the confrontation by taking a few steps towards the rat, and also he started talking back to the rat and pointing to the gate. Shouldn't he stand where he is, have the discussion, toss the rat, then not say anything until his partner comes in and walks the rat off the field?

Who knows what happened prior to this This could have been a problem the entire game. The coach could have been yelling something from the dugout prior to the video starting. Who knows

-Josh

[bobbybanaduck]

Originally Posted by canadaump6

Shouldn't he stand where he is, have the discussion, toss the rat, then not say anything until his partner comes in and walks the rat off the field?

this is where there is a monumental difference in what is taught at pro schools and expected in pro ball, and what is apparently practiced at amateur levels. Rich's post above is on par with what is taught at the schools. if the argument remains one on one and is not violent (heated is OK, violent is not) then the argument will continue to be one on one until something happens that dictates the partner(s) getting involved. such things generally include:

- violence (bumping, poking, etc.)
- the ratio dictates involvement (more than one on one)
- arguing umpire has had enough (communicated by walking away from argument)

until one of those things happen, the partner(s) generally are to leave the arguing to those involved. if it is prolonged enough, then the partner should have moved so that he is in close enough proximity so he can hear what is going on (for purposes of writing report, and also to insert himself in there once one of the above listed things happens.)

a vast majority of the EJs on youtube and the like (that do not involve professional umpires) are handled almost exactly opposite of what is taught at the schools, i.e. partner comes barrelling in to "rescue" the arguing umpire as soon as the EJ takes place. it seems like there are some guys (on here and not on here) that think that the EJ'd party should be ignored as soon as he is ejected. to me, this is just plain arrogant, and doesn't do anything to help the situation. arguments happen. EJs happen. i think what it boils down to is that they just don't happen that often in amateur ball, and there isn't enough time spent on handling of situations when umpires are trained at the local level.

[UmpTTS43]

We are taught, NCAA level, that once the ejection has occured, the ejecting ump should turn and walk away. Partner/s should then make sure offender leaves the field, either by escorting or running interference.

[TussAgee11]

I didn't see a problem with BU taking a few steps to the coach as the coach came. If the coach is really hot, I'll make him come all the way. But sometimes, a few steps can be some positive body language that tells the coach, "okay, I'll talk and listen to you". Sometimes, that's all a coach needs. Coaches think umpires are arrogant. If we can get away from that notion by letting him know you will listen, he is much less likely to do something that will get him EJ'd.

Now, once he did whatever he did to get EJ'd, I'm not sure I would have been that loud about it. I would have turned my back to him, given the left hand, and then turned back around to face him.

Why walk away? Are you scared of him?

I've actually tossed, and then had a coach calm down because I explained to him where he went wrong before my partner eventually moved in. He has alot of respect for me because of it, and realized that it wasn't me that tossed him, it was himself

Just some philosophies I've worked in that prevail on the basketball side of things.

[PeteBooth]

[QUOTE]

Originally Posted by bobbybanaduck

this is where there is a monumental difference in what is taught at pro schools and expected in pro ball, and what is apparently practiced at amateur levels. Rich's post above is on par with what is taught at the schools. if the argument remains one on one and is not violent (heated is OK, violent is not) then the argument will continue to be one on one until something happens that dictates the partner(s) getting involved. such things generally include:

Bobby IMO, you canot compare what is taught at PRO School to the amteur level.

PRO ball is on TV for all to see and while Lou Pinella might make a jerk out of himself I do not think the umpires feel as though Lou will take a punch or become violent. Yes he's thrown dirt on the umpire, he's thrown bases etc. but nothing in which the umpires felt was threatening.

In amateur baseball we are dealing with amateur coaches. You do not know what will happen so IMO, in the amateur game it's best for the umpire who is not involved in the discussion to step in as quickly as possible to get the coach to leave.

Also, I cannot speak for college but in HS we do not have any "armed security" at our disposal as do PRO umpires.

In a nutshell in the amateur game if coaches act like the one in the video they should be suspended for a Long time. Also, the "other" partner should step in more quickly then they would in a D1 College game or a PRO game because one is comparing Apples to Oranges.

Pete Booth

[waltjp]

Originally Posted by canadaump6

The base umpire invited the confrontation by taking a few steps towards the rat, and also he started talking back to the rat and pointing to the gate. Shouldn't he stand where he is, have the discussion, toss the rat, then not say anything until his partner comes in and walks the rat off the field?

Fifty-six total words and 4 instances of the word 'rat' and you're asking in the original post if the umpire was too aggressive?

[TussAgee11]

Here is what I would have done as BU.

"Coach, I will listen to you, but you need to stop gesturing with your arms and yelling. Let's just talk."

That would have gone a long way. Perhaps BU said this, who knows.

Then, if he continues, dump, and what is the need to get in his face after wards about it. What's the point in giving him a piece of your mind?

If he chooses to make himself look like an idiot, and you look all the more in control, then so be it.