Ball 5 Sunday night Phillies Mets

[tballump]

Did the manager, or players on the team being offended making 7 or 8 figures question the count, which they are allowed to do? It seems both teams have a lot at stake (playoffs) in these final 32-33 games to let such an obvious mistake go unquestioned due to their lack of professional attention.

[refinks]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but there was nobody on base during that fair/foul controversy, right? If not, then why wasn't the home plate umpire getting out from behind the plate and getting his butt up the first base line to not only rule on the fair/foul, but also to help in case of a swipe tag. That is absolutey lazy umpiring, and if i saw any of my guys do that in the league i schedule umpires for, they'd be getting a royal butt chewing.

[Nigel Tufnel]

Anybody else remember a time before espn, when we watched TWIB- with Mel Allen..."How about that!"

I think it was a game at Montreal's Olympic Stadium where even the guy running the scoreboard had a count of 6 balls...and was right on the money...

ah...memories

been a while since I've heard of the ol' ball 4+....

[Matt]

Originally Posted by refinks

Correct me if I'm wrong, but there was nobody on base during that fair/foul controversy, right? If not, then why wasn't the home plate umpire getting out from behind the plate and getting his butt up the first base line to not only rule on the fair/foul, but also to help in case of a swipe tag. That is absolutey lazy umpiring, and if i saw any of my guys do that in the league i schedule umpires for, they'd be getting a royal butt chewing.

You're wrong. It was R1 and R2.

[bluezebra]

What was the count posted on the scoreboard?

Bob

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by bluezebra

What was the count posted on the scoreboard?

Bob

According to what I've read, the scoreboard had the correct count (3-2) at the time the plate umpire signaled 2-2 to both dugouts.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

According to what I've read, the scoreboard had the correct count (3-2) at the time the plate umpire signaled 2-2 to both dugouts.

It did. Layne spent a bit of time trying to get the scoreboard changed to 2-2, though. I thought the funniest part was it appeared Layne asked the catcher to verify it was 2-2.

I thought it was odd that U1 called the ball fair. It was clearly a few feet in front of the base and the announcers were actually right on this one -- U1 had to make this call through F3 and his glove. They are the ones who claimed Layne wasn't up on the line - I have no way of knowing whether it was true or not.

I think the real mental lapse by Layne came in the 11th, though, when he called R3 out on the "force" at the plate when the force was removed by F5 tagging third. No doubt R3 saw Layne call him out and that's why he stopped. Otherwise, he may have been able to get in a rundown long enough for R2 or R1+R2 to advance behind him. Instead, F2 walked up casually and applied the tag.

Good guys (Phillies) won in the end, on a 3-run walkoff HR in the bottom of the 11th.

[Klokard]

My concern would be why the batter was not aware of the count. He should have jogged to first after the 4th ball and waited for the crew to sort it out. Shame on him more than the crew. Just my dos pesos.

[LMan]

Originally Posted by Klokard

Just my dos pesos.

ummmmm, the scoreboard says, "uno."

[ozzy6900]

Okay, the scoreboard said 3-2 and the PU shows a count of 2-2 to the dugouts. Nobody complains, no one challenges so the base umpires keep their mouths shut.

That is what is supposed to happen! What do you people want the base umpires to do, come running in, waving their arms screaming "that's the wrong count!" like it was some sand lot or LL game? I can't begin to count how many times the count was wrong and I said nothing as the BU unless my partner came to me! If the dugouts or the players don't say anything, play on! If they do, then bail out your partner.... QUIETLY!