Ball 5 Sunday night Phillies Mets

[Rich]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

According to what I've read, the scoreboard had the correct count (3-2) at the time the plate umpire signaled 2-2 to both dugouts.

It did. Layne spent a bit of time trying to get the scoreboard changed to 2-2, though. I thought the funniest part was it appeared Layne asked the catcher to verify it was 2-2.

I thought it was odd that U1 called the ball fair. It was clearly a few feet in front of the base and the announcers were actually right on this one -- U1 had to make this call through F3 and his glove. They are the ones who claimed Layne wasn't up on the line - I have no way of knowing whether it was true or not.

I think the real mental lapse by Layne came in the 11th, though, when he called R3 out on the "force" at the plate when the force was removed by F5 tagging third. No doubt R3 saw Layne call him out and that's why he stopped. Otherwise, he may have been able to get in a rundown long enough for R2 or R1+R2 to advance behind him. Instead, F2 walked up casually and applied the tag.

Good guys (Phillies) won in the end, on a 3-run walkoff HR in the bottom of the 11th.

[Klokard]

My concern would be why the batter was not aware of the count. He should have jogged to first after the 4th ball and waited for the crew to sort it out. Shame on him more than the crew. Just my dos pesos.

[DG]

Originally Posted by gordon30307

It is if all four of them do and they're making six figures.

I bet they all knew what game they were watching.

The coaching staff can question the count you know?

Never happened to you I guess?

[ozzy6900]

Okay, the scoreboard said 3-2 and the PU shows a count of 2-2 to the dugouts. Nobody complains, no one challenges so the base umpires keep their mouths shut.

That is what is supposed to happen! What do you people want the base umpires to do, come running in, waving their arms screaming "that's the wrong count!" like it was some sand lot or LL game? I can't begin to count how many times the count was wrong and I said nothing as the BU unless my partner came to me! If the dugouts or the players don't say anything, play on! If they do, then bail out your partner.... QUIETLY!

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by gordon30307

It is if all four of them do and they're making six figures.

You aren't making six figures umpiring? You should join the MLB! They could really use an umpire of your caliber that never loses the count.

[LMan]

Originally Posted by Klokard

Just my dos pesos.

ummmmm, the scoreboard says, "uno."

[SAump]

Same thing shown on youtube two years ago. After fouling off about 8 pitches in a row, a batter received ball four. As he began to jog to 1st base, the pitcher for the Yankees questioned the call and the batter was asked to return by the PU. The batter was walked on the next pitch. Most unusual because it was his 1st MLB plate appearance. How rare would that be?

[johnnyg08]

rare for the rookie...not rare for baseball...coincidental...yes.

[gordon30307]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

You aren't making six figures umpiring? You should join the MLB! They could really use an umpire of your caliber that never loses the count.

Hey when I lose the count a handful see it. When they (all four of them) lose it millions see it. Unacceptable for all four to lose it at that level.

[Forest Ump]

Originally Posted by gordon30307

When they (all four of them) lose it, millions see it.

Not if it's the Oakland A's.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by gordon30307

Hey when I lose the count a handful see it. When they (all four of them) lose it millions see it. Unacceptable for all four to lose it at that level.

Umpires are human, and occasionally make mistakes at all levels. Standing on the bases can get rather tedious and boring, and sometimes wool-gathering happens to the best of them. If you ask me the count while I'm on the bases, there's a 50-50 chance that I'll shrug my shoulders to say "search me." The PU is responsible for the count, and blaming the rest of the crew for his mistake is not really fair to them.

[SethPDX]

Originally Posted by gordon30307

Hey when I lose the count a handful see it. When they (all four of them) lose it millions see it. Unacceptable for all four to lose it at that level.

I get it. You obviously care quite a lot about this. Well, when a guy in MLB makes a mistake, wherever he is working, millions will see it and some will write about it here. Just check some of the recent threads. I bet Layne has taken some from his crew for it, learned from it, and moved on. That seems to be the best course of action.

[SAump]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

Umpires are human, and occasionally make mistakes at all levels. Standing on the bases can get rather tedious and boring, and sometimes wool-gathering happens to the best of them. If you ask me the count while I'm on the bases, there's a 50-50 chance that I'll shrug my shoulders to say "search me." The PU is responsible for the count, and blaming the rest of the crew for his mistake is not really fair to them.

It isn't passed around the table in equal measure. No repeat buttton. The buck stops there.

Originally Posted by ozzy6900

Okay, the scoreboard said 3-2 and the PU shows a count of 2-2 to the dugouts. Nobody complains, no one challenges so the base umpires keep their mouths shut.
That is what is supposed to happen! What do you people want the base umpires to do, come running in, waving their arms screaming "that's the wrong count!" like it was some sand lot or LL game? I can't begin to count how many times the count was wrong and I said nothing as the BU unless my partner came to me! If the dugouts or the players don't say anything, play on! If they do, then bail out your partner.... QUIETLY!

In case he needs clarification.

[BigTex]

Would a situation like this be review-able?

[johnnyg08]

nope...it's not a "border play" is that what they're calling it?