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SanDiegoSteve Sat Aug 09, 2008 03:48pm
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Originally Posted by TussAgee11
With 2 outs, I'm in a deep B...

Possible that a fast lefty could chop one down to third, R2 holds up not wanting to run into a tag, throw across, safe, back over to 3rd and we have a play.

Not to mention 2nd and 3rd, this exact play could happen, and I'm in a deep B there too. Ground ball to F5 who is playing back, R3 breaks for home on contact, team willing to trade an out for a run throws on to first, R2 breaks.

If you're saying to get both is easier from C, then you must not be getting to the same spot you would for the call at first if you started from a deep B.

I get to about the same spot... perhaps my next diagram will be from Ebbets Field :)
Why deep B? I guess I'm just old school. R2 only...C. R2 and R3...C. Outs not important. I just hustled to where I was supposed to be. The only time I ever used B (and not deep, just normal) was 1st base only or 1st and 3rd. Deep B is usually for 3 and 4 man mechanics, if you mean by the grass line.

Tim C Sat Aug 09, 2008 04:13pm
~Sigh~
 
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"With 2 outs, I'm in a deep B..."
I would never teach nor position myself in "Deep B" while using two man mechanics.


We follow CCA that is slightly modified for high school baseball.

How in the heck to you call a pickoff at first from "Deep B"?

Regards,

SAump Sat Aug 09, 2008 04:15pm
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Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve
Why deep B? I guess I'm just old school. R2 only...C. R2 and R3...C. Outs not important. I just hustled to where I was supposed to be. The only time I ever used B (and not deep, just normal) was 1st base only or 1st and 3rd. Deep B is usually for 3 and 4 man mechanics, if you mean by the grass line.
R3 only ...C.
R2 and R3...C.
R2 only ...C.
R1, R2 and R3...C.
R1 and R2...C.
R1 and R3...B.
R1 only ...B.
No runners ... A

bob jenkins Sat Aug 09, 2008 06:28pm
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Originally Posted by TussAgee11
Not to mention 2nd and 3rd, this exact play could happen, and I'm in a deep B there too. Ground ball to F5 who is playing back, R3 breaks for home on contact, team willing to trade an out for a run throws on to first, R2 breaks.
Are you saying that you want PU up at third on this play when there's R2 and R3?

Nigel Tufnel Sat Aug 09, 2008 08:09pm
[QUOTE=TussAgee11]With 2 outs, I'm in a deep B...

Might as well be in a deep sleep

TussAgee11 Sun Aug 10, 2008 01:11pm
No Bob, I was commenting on how being in B or C affects BU's ability to get both plays and how his positioning may change. Surely I don't want PU at 3rd when a run is coming in to score...

And Tim, I normally don't have to worry about a pick off at first with R2 and R3... :D

I believe we have hashed out the 2 outs moving back to B debate on here... that is where our rules and mechanics interpreter wants us (also our Varsity assignor).

And he only wants us in C with R2 only (unless there are 2 outs). Otherwise, go to a deep B...

So, I will do what I'm told. What other choice do I have?

RPatrino Sun Aug 10, 2008 01:38pm
Tuss, what is the reason they have you in 'deep' B vs. regular B?

The purpose of moving to B with two outs is to be closer to the obvious play at first. However, being in 'deep' B really puts you at a bad spot for a good angle on the play at first. Deep B is a 3 or 4 man mechanic when you don't have a call to make at 1b.

bob jenkins Sun Aug 10, 2008 02:41pm
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Originally Posted by TussAgee11
No Bob, I was commenting on how being in B or C affects BU's ability to get both plays and how his positioning may change.
Sorry. I must have mis read. In any event, I don't think the starting position (B or C) has much bearing on this play. If the first move is to the working area, (as it should be), then the drop step will work fine to get the umpire to third.

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Surely I don't want PU at 3rd when a run is coming in to score...
Agreed. so, if BU can get both ends when there's R3, why can't he get both ends when there isn't? PU still has a job to do and can be waiting for a play at teh plate on an overthrow (and F3 typically has the worst arm in the infield).

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So, I will do what I'm told. What other choice do I have?
Depending on your "stature" in the association, I agree you need to do what you're told.

mick Sun Aug 10, 2008 03:55pm
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Originally Posted by bob jenkins
(and F3 typically has the worst arm in the infield).
I think all F4s need shoulder surgery. :cool:

LDUB Sun Aug 10, 2008 09:23pm
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Originally Posted by msavakinas
Maybe you should bring up to them that they are ignoring EVERY mechanics set out there (CCA, FED, PBUC, and MLB)
So what is the correct 2 man MLB mechanic for this situation?

canadaump6 Sun Aug 10, 2008 11:05pm
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Originally Posted by mick
I think all F4s need shoulder surgery. :cool:
Careful who you say that around Mick;) .

RPatrino Sun Aug 10, 2008 11:18pm
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Originally Posted by mick
I think all F4s need shoulder surgery. :cool:
Steve Sax comes to mind !!

LDUB Mon Aug 11, 2008 12:23am
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Originally Posted by msavakinas
I guess PBUC and MLB are same thing I'll go edit my post now to appease you
To appease me? I was just wondering if you looked up the MLB 2 man mechanics or you were just making stuff up:confused:

waltjp Mon Aug 11, 2008 08:19am
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Originally Posted by RPatrino
Steve Sax comes to mind !!

Chuch Knoblauch?


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