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The advantage of the BU taking the play into third - if there's an overthrow, the PU is already in foul ground with a far better angle to watch the ball approach or enter dead ball territory.
Also, the PU has do do all that ball-strike stuff, and the BU is dreaming most of the game, so why NOT make the BU run a little? :rolleyes: JJ |
well, and how many times per game does this really happened...once...maybe twice...
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The PU taking the BR to third as well as taking the second play on the infield at third seems to be a common softball mechanic. I highly recommend discussing this with your partner in your pre-game, if you happen to work with softball guys a lot. I learned this the hard way!!
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At the 1/2-inning, I asked, "WTF were you doing on third base? The next time I see you there I'm stopping at 2nd and then I'm leaving. Stay outa my yard or ump alone." Of course with runners on he was still ready to help. :) |
The best blues in the world often times don't get the respect they maybe deserve from players/managers/coaches
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R2, 1 out. Ground ball to shortstop who throws to first for the force out, then the first baseman throws to third to nab R2. Am I not correct in thinking the base umpire should take both calls? |
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I tell them in pre-game to stay at the plate unless they are supposed to be at 3rd. These are the same guys that on a 1st to 3rd play are at home looking at the flowers and leave you hanging for the play at 3rd.:rolleyes: |
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I am in favour of the plate umpire staying home on this one to watch for overthrows. If the base umpire hustles he should be able to take the play at first and third.
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Even if the BU is using perfect mechanics of seeing the force at first and then retreating to 3rd as he makes the call. This is so helpful and I always appreciate it when guys do this. Just a simple "behind you." or "nothing behind you" is all. |
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If you have to run more than 125' from A to get within 13' of third, you're setting up WAAAY too deep. That, or you really do work BIG diamond games. |
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With R1 only, PU takes the play at third and BU takes the batter. This is especially important to remember at varsity/advanced levels of softball since with R1 there will likely be a bunt and if the throw goes to 1B, R1 may decide to keep going to third without hesitating. Usually, PU comes back home as well. |
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Can't ask BU to make 2 calls within 3 seconds of each other when they are 144 feet apart.... I'd rather BU move over and get the proper angle at 1st, and let PU have plenty of time to think about his angle at 3rd. IMO, it is similar to PU being the guy to get INT at 2nd base on a DP ball. And that is when BU has just a 90 degree swivel, and is maybe 30 feet from one play and 60 from another. Now, he's probably going to have to cut the distance in half from behind the mound, not get a good look at the play at first, have proper timing, now swivel 180 degrees, have a play explode on him from about 70 feet away, probably without a good angle (not as good as a hustling PU can get). I always go over this in my pregame, ask what pard wants to do. I'd say 90% of the time, they are coming out. |
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I guess baseball really IS different in the midwest. We seem to play on much smaller diamonds than the guys on the coasts. |
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