Are umpire associations to blame

[DG]

Originally Posted by johnnyg08

DG...could you provide an example of the verbiage of an "out clause"? I tried to find a way to put it into our league contracts last year, but couldn't think of a professional way to articulate it.

"Gross misconduct by members of the league will be cause to cancel this agreement instantly. The judgement of the assigner on what constitutes gross misconduct is absolute and not subject to appeal, just like umpire judgement calls."

I'm sure there are some lawyers here who can provide some better verbage.

[PeteBooth]

[QUOTE]

Originally Posted by rei

Coincidently, I have not been "beaned" either. I enjoy VERY good relations with every catcher I work behind.

REI, I think you are missing the MAIN Point here.

Depending upon where you are from there are certain teams, players and coaches that are real jerks and as Rich said have been EJ'D by most umpires not just one crew.

Also, what is getting LOST in the translation is this

BASEBALL IS ONLY A GAME -PERIOD

No matter how bad the umpiring is No UMPIRE and by no umpire I mean if you had Jefro from the old Beverly Hillbilly show umpire the game deserves to be thrown at.

As long as the umpiring is bad for both teams no one is gaining an advantage.

It sounds from your post that in a way you condone such behavior and hopefully that is not the case.

It's my gut and from reading the article Lawump provided that this team had a history of bad behavior yet nothing was done.

The way I read your post is that if you have good game management skills, things like what happened to Rich would not occur and that simply is not the case.

I do not care how good you are, we are not going to call EVERY pitch perfect or get EVERY call on the bases correct and when we do make a mistake etc. the penalty should not be being thrown at.

We see on average about 160 - 200 pitches (assuming a7 inning game and decent pitching so the number could be higher) per game. If we miss 5-7, I say we had a good day.

This is not about an umpire being approachable etc. is it about someone trying to PURPOSELY injure an umpire and it has not been the FIRST incident we have heard about.

If nothing is done unfortunately some umpire will pay a serious price and then maybe something will be done.

Pete Booth

[MrUmpire]

And you're also coming across as someone who's **** simply doesn't stink, again.

Fixed your post.

[LMan]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

You know what, I was reading this post carefully all the way to this point. If you think I'll take any blame whatsoever for getting hit thanks to a repeat offender who's been ejected at every level of the game -- someone who is a piece of garbage as a human being -- you're out of your mind.

And you're also coming across as someone who's **** simply doesn't stink.

Preach it, Brutha Rich....


"Some meeeennnn....just.....cainnnnnnnnt be reeeeeeeeeeeeeeesoned with......." /coolhandluke

[Jurassic Referee]

No matter how bad the umpiring is No UMPIRE and by no umpire I mean if you had Jefro from the old Beverly Hillbilly show umpire the game deserves to be thrown at.

As long as the umpiring is bad for both teams no one is gaining an advantage.

It sounds from your post that in a way you condone such behavior and hopefully that is not the case.

It's my gut and from reading the article Lawump provided that this team had a history of bad behavior yet nothing was done.

The way I read your post is that if you have good game management skills, things like what happened to Rich would not occur and that simply is not the case.

I do not care how good you are, we are not going to call EVERY pitch perfect or get EVERY call on the bases correct and when we do make a mistake etc. the penalty should not be being thrown at.

This is not about an umpire being approachable etc. is it about someone trying to PURPOSELY injure an umpire and it has not been the FIRST incident we have heard about.

If nothing is done unfortunately some umpire will pay a serious price and then maybe something will be done.

Well said, Pete, and also applicable in all sports imo.

God himself wouldn't be able to stop some players/coaches/teams/fans from acting the way that they do.

[DG]

Originally Posted by LMan

Preach it, Brutha Rich....


"Some meeeennnn....just.....cainnnnnnnnt be reeeeeeeeeeeeeeesoned with......." /coolhandluke

"What we got heeeeerrrrrrrreeeee is faiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiillure to communicate."

I like how my post made some feel uncomfortable. It should.

[MrUmpire]

Originally Posted by rei

I like how my post made some feel uncomfortable. It should.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by PeteBooth

No matter how bad the umpiring is No UMPIRE and by no umpire I mean if you had Jefro from the old Beverly Hillbilly show umpire the game deserves to be thrown at.

Pete,

Max Baer, Jr. called and said for you to get his name right. It's Jethro.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by rei

I like how my post made some feel uncomfortable. It should.

It doesn't make me feel uncomfortable at all. I just think you're full of ****.

Originally Posted by RichMSN

It doesn't make me feel uncomfortable at all. I just think you're full of ****.

Full of asterisks?

[Ump153]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

It doesn't make me feel uncomfortable at all. I just think you're full of ****.

I used to live in Portland. What you're seeing here is similar to the Coach's son syndrome, only the umpire version.