Ever have this one happen?

[canadaump6]

Batter runner hits a groundball, slides into first base, beats the throw, then his foot comes off the base while his body is facing home plate. 1st baseman has the ball in his glove and foot on the bag. Is this a force out now that the batter runner has come off the bag?

0 out, R1. Ground ball is hit to the second baseman, who throws to 2nd but
R1 beats the throw there. As the shortstop comes off the bag to throw the ball back to the pitcher, the runner starts trotting back to first base. The shortstop steps on the bag with the ball. Is the runner out on the force?

[Tom H.]

Originally Posted by canadaump6

Batter runner hits a groundball, slides into first base, beats the throw, then his foot comes off the base while his body is facing home plate. 1st baseman has the ball in his glove and foot on the bag. Is this a force out now that the batter runner has come off the bag?

0 out, R1. Ground ball is hit to the second baseman, who throws to 2nd but
R1 beats the throw there. As the shortstop comes off the bag to throw the ball back to the pitcher, the runner starts trotting back to first base. The shortstop steps on the bag with the ball. Is the runner out on the force?

In the first one, I would not consider it a "Force Play" (Ref: Rule 2.0 Force Play) and require a tag of the runner.

In the second, I would consider it a "Force Play" (again see Rule 2.0 --

A FORCE PLAY is a play in which a runner legally loses his right to occupy a base

by reason of the batter becoming a runner.) as R1 has no where to retreat to.

OK Guys.....tear me up!

[Forest Ump]

Originally Posted by Tom H.

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A FORCE PLAY is a play in which a runner legally loses his right to occupy a base

by reason of the batter becoming a runner.) as R1 has no where to retreat to.

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Tom, your close.

Rule 7.08 (e) ..... if the forced runner, after touching the next base, retreats for any reason towards the base he had last occupied, the force play is reinstated, and he can again be put out if the defense tags the bag to which he is forced.

[mbyron]

1. The first play is not clear, but it sounds like BR overslid the base. That's as legal as overrunning it, and BR is not liable to be put out.

2. R1 out; as stated, his retreat toward 1B reinstates the force. This is not an appeal play.